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Discussion in 'Survive! Knives' started by bassmaster6731, May 26, 2017.

  1. Oyster

    Oyster Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 2, 2011
    Piecing together the information available on multiple threads - including yesterday's posts from Ellie - all of the 2.7s, 4.1s and 7/7s have been ground and are the models that are currently in the finishing process - with work being performed on each of those models on an alternating basis. That is how I understand it at least. With that in mind, I'd think there's hope that you should receive it sometime within the next few months. Give or take.
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  2. Brummie

    Brummie Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 13, 2007
    I'm a patient person, and I understand that even if we pre-orderers may not like it, Survive! probably need to prioritize some new and 2nd orders for cashflow purposes. But I do find it irritating that monthly updates for the last 6 months or so have been suggesting that 7/7s are shipping out, when that doesn't really seem to be the case.
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  3. Fancier


    Jul 1, 2012
    I've been watching this process for a while and there seems to be a pattern.
    They often have three models in the shop at the same time, one in main production, one they are finishing up, and one they are just starting to work on.
    So, at the moment, they are finishing up the 2.7, which I think means that they are doing a lot of slow hand fitting because they've already shipped all the easy work out.
    At the same time, their main production effort is on the 4.1, and they are also building some 7/7 models too.
    Guy said that he liked to mix things up because working on the exact same knife every day is tedious. I think that it also gives him a chance to see how the materials for the next model came out before he has to devote most of his effort on it, which would give him a chance to work up whatever techniques or equipment he'll need for the next model.
    Given that the time frame for all of this to happen has been measured in months per model it feels like everything is moving in molasses, but I do think that knives are shipping, albeit more slowly than anybody wants. When it takes over a year of Survive shop time to complete a model run the progress isn't obvious to a bystander, and during that whole time the status for that model is going to be "shipping out". Based on the fact that I've ordered at least one of everything and I've been receiving knives every few months as they work through the backlog it does seem that knives are shipping. I haven't received a 7/7 yet, but mine was a late order and I expect to still wait a good long while.
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  4. Armalite Native

    Armalite Native

    Apr 26, 2010
    GSO 7/7 order number 49XX - no movement on order. Order placed early April.....2015. Hope that helps folks determine just where their 7/7 order sits. :mad:
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2017
  5. Brummie

    Brummie Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 13, 2007
    I saw an instagram update that their premises burnt down last month. That can't help the process.
  6. TommyG19

    TommyG19 Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 3, 2007
    I just got a shipping notice on a F2 7/7, ordered January 26, 2017.
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  7. Fancier


    Jul 1, 2012
    It wasn't their shop but I'm sure that it was traumatic and distracting.
  8. Silver Needle

    Silver Needle

    Jul 14, 2014
    Great news! Thanks for sharing!

    Report back with some pics if you get a chance!
  9. Armalite Native

    Armalite Native

    Apr 26, 2010
    Its good some people are beginning to see their blades but its completely stuffed that an order placed TWO YEARS after starter packages has been cleared first. Once I get my gear I am running a mile from this lot. Its rare for me to really lash out but I have had a gut full.
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2017
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  10. Fancier


    Jul 1, 2012
    You know, there was a sneaky way to make this work for you.
    All you had to do was cancel your starter order and then order a second, or pick up a knife used.
    Now that they aren't taking orders for seconds I feel free to share the "cheat code". ;)
    P.S. Full disclosure, I've never cancelled any of my Survive orders.
  11. chiral.grolim

    chiral.grolim Universal Kydex Sheath Extension Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 2, 2008
    This was an article from the local paper a week after the fire:


    A few weeks later: http://www.shoshonenewspress.com/article/20170920/ARTICLE/170929996

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  12. JackKnives


    Aug 12, 2017
    Amen to this!
  13. dogboye

    dogboye Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 23, 1999
    I feel very bad for their misfortune. But I just gotta wonder ... why? Everything I've read on here in the last few years... i read of them struggling to get machinery fixed so they can produce the knives they've already sold (at full price, not deposits)... I see them struggling for quality control of those knife designs... I see them contracting out to a milling/grinding operation to produce their knives... apparently because the original grinder of their blades wasn't good enough? meanwhile they've bought a hotel?! I'm ... conflicted. The blades I've gotten from them are great knives. They're sharp. They work. The scales are great. Just like 99.9% of the rest of the knives I've gotten from various craftsmen much more expeditiously. I mean, good god... does anyone have a longer wait time on their knives, other than Randall? Really?!
    I like the simple design of their blades. I really do. I like that it is a young couple trying to start a big business building the best damn knives anyone can build. I want to support them. I really do. But good GOD!!! You bought a hotel!?! Really?! Come ON!!!

    I mean, I know I sound like an ass. I'm coming on here in the midst of their troubles and basically flinging sh**. But WHY are you buying new property to expand your space? Is your business REALLY limited by your space? It would seem not, when you're subbing out the grinding of your blades to other companies. Yes, if you had more space maybe you could do all grinding in house. But nothing I've EVER read anywhere associated with SURVIVE has any indication that your limitation is space.

    I dunno. It is sad to say that their misfortune is the straw that's finally broken my patience. But it isn't their misfortune. It is the circumstance that led to their misfortune. They bought a hotel?!?! Really?! What am I missing here? And oh yeah, they've turned tragedy into a community closeness. That's great. They've donated back to the community that prevented their investment's demise from hurting anyone. I can appreciate that. Really. I respect that. But... what. the. he**!?! You bought a hotel to be ready for the future, when you can't keep up with the orders already placed!?!?

    I sorry... I've totally lost my sh**!!
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  14. TommyG19

    TommyG19 Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 3, 2007
    I think we've all had similar thoughts, maybe with a bit less conviction/anger. It was one thing to do the starter campaign so we could finance their move west and build a new shop. It's something else when they're taking that money for investment properties unrelated to getting the knives to the customers. And to then use its destruction as some new excuse for late knives/sympathy. Also while not responding customers requesting a refund. It just doesn't sit right.

    I'll say this. Some article mentioned that the building was purchased for significantly less than the asking price of $250,000. So let's say $150,000. Let's say they put 20% down. That's $30,000. Or about 120 F2 7/7 orders. It's not that extravagant. When the goal is to get a property to run a business, that is not only reasonable; its pretty cheap. The fact that they were planning on revamping a historical landmark is nice, and if it creates more revenue for them in the future, fine. This was purchased over a year ago, and I think Guy and Ellie, at the time, truly miscalculated what their 2017 production would look like.

    I'll also mention that since I got my shipping notification this week, I'm finding myself much less harsh on the Seiferds, lol
  15. Burke

    Burke Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 25, 1999
    I think shipping notifications would help everyone feel like they were going to get their money's worth and not scammed....
  16. dogboye

    dogboye Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 23, 1999
    I think this is the first time I've been harsh on them. In the past, I've actually gotten angry at other people badgering them. But, over time, I've built up some anger myself. If they got it for a huge discount, good on them. I still don't see any indication that they needed to expand their business property, as all the reasons for delays that I have read indicated anything except a space issue.

    I've almost completely quit coming to this forum to read anything about Survive, because every time I do, I read some other excuse for delays. I feel bad for them, as it seems nothing can go right for them. Except them collecting full payment up front for knives that take years to be delivered. Out of the orders they have apparently been working through for months (the entire year so far?), I have two of the models on order. Both pre-orders (not starters). I'll be shocked if I see either of them this year.
  17. SURVIVE! Ellie

    SURVIVE! Ellie

    Apr 21, 2014
    That batch of shipping labels actually had more preorders than Factory 2nds go out. I can’t force everyone to come on here to say their order shipped.

    As far as the building, we put a relatively small down payment (less than Tommy estimated) on it during better times. We are okay on size in our current location, but 1: it's a rental, 2: at the time, we were planning to do the SK Series ourselves, which would have required more space. The previous owner came to us with a low offer because he knew we loved the character of the building and were interested in buying it someday. He was tired of traveling up to take care of it so his next move was to start dismantling it brick by brick. We figured the new heat treat was figured out, the first few runs had been completed, things would start flowing more smoothly all around. The plan was to slowly start working on renovations. First to get SURVIVE! in there, then living spaces for us and Guy’s grandmother, saving a lot of money on rent and utilities. We figured in a few years we could put in some offices and retail spaces to rent out. Since production didn’t boom as we had originally expected, the building ended up just sitting there waiting for things to pick up.

    Yep, we collected full payment up front as a way to help us invest in equipment, steel, and production runs (which is exactly what we did). We had no idea it was going to take years to deliver, but it has. I’ve said before, hindsight sucks and I can’t hop in a time machine and change the past. We have been changing the way we sell things, but there isn’t a quick fix. As much as Guy would like to scrap out some of these things that are in the workshop and start over, we can’t. So we are working our way through it. We are making changes for the future. We are always learning and adapting.
  18. bassmaster6731


    Feb 8, 2016
    It really bugs me when I see 7/7's ship that were ordered after my order date which was 4/2015. That is wrong and should be addressed by Survive.
  19. rpn

    rpn Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 17, 2008
    Bumping this and wondering if anyone has received theirs?
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  20. dogboye

    dogboye Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 23, 1999
    Wow, crickets.
    The question is, am I surprised?

    'Course it is Thanksgiving weekend, Black Friday, Sofa Sunday (really??!), and Cyber Monday. So, a lot of people probably have better things to do than I do.

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