A defense of thumb safeties.

Discussion in 'Gadgets & Gear' started by powernoodle, Sep 7, 2020.

  1. DocJD

    DocJD

    Jan 29, 2016
    :) When I'm around other armed individuals , it's not one's who've carried and used firearms , properly, safely, and frequently over many decades that make me nervous .

    Repetition of safe handling does not increase the risk of accidents . Quite the opposite . :cool:

    I've tied my shoe / boot laces countless times . Increasing the number of repetitions (once I learned how as a child ) has not resulted in any failures as yet . :p
     
  2. Mitchell Knives

    Mitchell Knives Knifemaker Moderator

    May 21, 2000
    Go with whatever system you will actually practice with and carry.

    I used to carry a 1911, but now carry polymer striker designs. I'm fine with carrying either.

    The many fine offerings by CZ occasionally tempt me to buy another single action pistol with a thumb safety. ;)
     
  3. BBW

    BBW Gold Member Gold Member

    834
    Dec 2, 2005
    I'm more concerned about the safety getting engaged at the wrong time. During a struggle? by "accident"? I have been carrying/shooting Glocks for 20+ years and is the only type I'll carry. That just works for me and I'm 100% comfortable with my skills/muscle memory/conditioned reflexes.
    Finger only goes inside trigger guard when conditions are met
     
  4. heresthedeal

    heresthedeal

    Oct 3, 2010
    Guns launch bullets, bullets punch holes in things. I've seen more accidents from people counting on a safety to save them than with people just being safe.
    A safety won't stop stupid.
    Finger off trigger, safe direction, don't point it at shit you don't want to put a hole in.
    Rules, when you have a gun in your hand, pay attention, I reholster more than a few times every day, PAY ATTENTION, ever time, all the time, or get a safety for your safety, because one is none and two is one.
    Or, leave it at home so you don't leave your finger on the trigger and shoot yourself in the ass, or liver.
    Good luck,
     
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  5. Charlie_K

    Charlie_K

    Jul 16, 2012
    Ain't it the truth. I'm of the opinion that safeties have the potential to actually encourage stupid, since stupid automatically assumes that mechanical intervention is an excuse to not engage in logical thinking and basic caution.

    It's simply not possible to Simon-proof things.
     
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  6. TOMBSTONE

    TOMBSTONE

    Oct 31, 1998
    I'm good with or without the safety.
    Most issues can be prevented with choosing a good/proper holster, familiarity with one's equipment, regular training/practice and remaining alert to the basics of gun safety.
     
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  7. Wicked Sharp

    Wicked Sharp Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 20, 2007
    Israeli carry........ no possibility of a negligent discharge. Also, you can practice quick draw, dry firing, and reholstering as much as you want.
     
  8. HopalongCassidy

    HopalongCassidy

    95
    Sep 22, 2019
    DA/SA, thumb on hammer when re holstering. Old school.
    HK P2000sk EDC.
     
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  9. HopalongCassidy

    HopalongCassidy

    95
    Sep 22, 2019
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  10. skyhorse

    skyhorse Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 30, 2010
    The ultimate thumb safety.
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  11. 000Robert

    000Robert Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 28, 2020
    I have EDC'd nothing but Glocks for probably the last 20 years or so and have never had a problem. And there's always a chambered round unless I'm headed to the range, or about to let someone unfamiliar with Glocks hold it.

    The answer is simple: NEVER put your finger on the trigger unless you want to shoot something.
     
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  12. SixtyLion

    SixtyLion

    160
    May 6, 2010
    I think it all comes down to personal preferences and training. Practicing basic manipulations draw/holster in a safe manner increase proficiency with your particular firearm and helps to avoid costly mistakes.
    For me personally, my self-defense gun is a Glock, I like its no manual safety point-and-shoot simplicity. When I compete, my main gun is CZ Tactical Sport Orange with a very light 2 lb. single action trigger, and large thumb safety, never had any issues with it. So whether it thumb safety or not, practice will help a lot.
     
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  13. Bigfattyt

    Bigfattyt Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 23, 2007
    I have to unholster and reholster at least 2 times per day when working. I work in a location where I have to leave the firearm in a safe in the vehicle.

    My state mandates that the pistol must be left unloaded, and secured.

    My typical edc has a thumb safety...

    My main house gun, or more serious cary piece does not.

    I have Glock, S&W shield with manual safety, and .357 revolvers.

    I have seen more than one officer fire a duty weapon trying to reholster it.

    One friend discharged into the floor of his squad car while trying to simultaneously get in his quad car and back away from a person wielding a shotgun and pointing it at him. The person was attempting suicide by cop, and there were already several officers engages. Friend had his gun drawn and had taken position behind his vehicle when he was ordered back....while the shotgun wielder popped up in the window and pointed the shot gun. Problem was trying to get seated, vehicle in great and back up while also attempting to holster his sidearm while also seeing the shotgun suddenly poke out the window at him.

    Im not opposed to manual safeties.

    I have guns with, guns without.
     
  14. DangerZone98

    DangerZone98

    Dec 7, 2019
    I don’t own a 1911, but my Father has one and I’ve trained with it a couple of times before the pandemic clusterf*** (haven’t been able to train since then unfortunately). Here are my two cents.

    If you have one on your primary sidearm, you gotta train with it and commit to it. You need to incorporate the safety disengagement into your drawstroke until it becomes autopilot, then reengage safety (FINGER OFF TRIGGER) upon reholstering. I wouldn’t recommend alternating between a pistol with a thumb safety and one without. Either train with one or stay away from them.
     
  15. K.O.D.

    K.O.D. Sanity Not Included Platinum Member

    Aug 21, 2013
    I'm not really concerned about it, but I don't practice holstering much.

    I have two striker pistols and one with a safety. I'm actually swapping the standard safety on the Beretta PX4 to the low pro decocker.

    However, the Beretta is not a carry gun, it's more of a range toy.
     
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  16. DangerZone98

    DangerZone98

    Dec 7, 2019
    Switching to decocker-only? Nice. Always thought Beretta safeties were awkwardly positioned. I vastly prefer 1911 safeties. The heavy DA trigger should prevent any accidental discharges anyway.
     
  17. timcsaw

    timcsaw Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 25, 2007
    Give me a pistol with a hammer and thumb safety please.
     
  18. K.O.D.

    K.O.D. Sanity Not Included Platinum Member

    Aug 21, 2013

    Yes, decocker only. The standard safety/decocker really digs into your hand when racking the slide.

    My carry guns are a SIG P365 SAS and Steyr M9-A1. They both have loaded chamber indicators. However, I rely on neither.

    I am exceedingly cautious with my guns after an accident about ten years ago. There are very few things in life I can tell you for certain. One of them is alcohol/drugs and guns don't mix. Blew a hole through my couch about 3 inches from my leg one night about 15 years ago fiddling around while drunk. No safety can prevent stupidity. I don't drink anymore, haven't had a drop in over 4 years.
     
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  19. DangerZone98

    DangerZone98

    Dec 7, 2019
    Congrats on the 4 years sober man. The last time I got blind drunk was late last year. Told myself I’ll never let that happen again. I still drink wine from time to time, but only with good company and never to the point of intoxication. Never got ‘stupid drunk’ since. As someone who strives to be a warrior-poet, I can’t really defend my keep if I’m not 100% in control of my faculties.
     
  20. K.O.D.

    K.O.D. Sanity Not Included Platinum Member

    Aug 21, 2013
    That and in 2016 I was diagnosed with stage 4 liver failure. Caused by being on Prednisone since age 11 as due to a childhood brain tumor and surgery, I no longer produce most hormones. The replacement hormones, especially Prednisone. 6/2018 I had a liver transplant. I was by far the youngest patient on the floor.

    Anyway, I'm 41 and have a liver from a 22 year old so I'm not going to ruin it.
     
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