A2 Steel Update

Discussion in 'Cold Steel Knives' started by Cold Steel Knives, Aug 3, 2020.

  1. nephron

    nephron Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 3, 2017
    The 4034 must cheaper and that is why the 8cr is not used? I was kinda surprised how well the 8cr performed, close to my AUS8 ones.
     
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  2. DemkoKnives

    DemkoKnives

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    May 15, 2006
    Thank you for the info , I will relay your thoughts to Lynn . I think that's a good idea on the blade length issue
     
  3. DemkoKnives

    DemkoKnives

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    May 15, 2006
    LOL probably true, maybe if a case would go to court , but your probably right an arresting officer may not appreciate the effort.
     
  4. DemkoKnives

    DemkoKnives

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    May 15, 2006
    Yes, but more than that . For example concerning the A-2 , again tested in the form of the SRK as I have the most data on it, we bought USA made A-2 and had the very best heat treatment from Peters heat treat. Those where tested for both impact and flex test. We tested 6 pieces and established an average. We then had our sub in Taiwan water jet identical knives and heat treat accordingly. We received the knives and tested. The results where not hale as good! Then we tried various heat treat methods , all failed to measure up to the standard. Then we got the labs involved ......Long story short the quality of the steel was not as good as the USA made material. So without the testing the Taiwan made 60 rc A-2 knife would seemed awesome, until a few broke in the field.
     
  5. DemkoKnives

    DemkoKnives

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    May 15, 2006
    8cr.. is identical to 8a, but the quality is sometimes less reliable .
     
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  6. goldie

    goldie

    Feb 18, 2000
    How has the testing of the 3v Trailmaster and Recon scout gone? Has it looked good?
     
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  7. Chris_Texas

    Chris_Texas

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    Apr 2, 2020
    I appreciate your thoughts, but nothing you said invalidates or even diminishes my point. I will only carry a knife that is below the legal length. I doubt I am alone in this. I have personally passed on some Cold Steel products because they were fractions on a inch too long. Again, I am probably not alone in ghis. Further, you can see where some other companies take this into consideration. Spyderco comes to mind.

    To address your comment specifically, yes an officer can always screw with you. If I do end up in court I would prefer being able to justify myself by pointing to the manufacturers specifications to show that I had good reason to believe the knife was legal. Again, I doubt I am alone in this conclusion.
     
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  8. unwisefool

    unwisefool Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    Ok, you do you! Enjoy whatever knife you buy.
     
  9. nephron

    nephron Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 3, 2017
    Some cities/counties out here have maximum carry lengths, usually 3"or 4" maximum. When I have to go there I make sure the knife is listed as 3" or 4" in the company specs, end of story. If asked by the cop I would show him the specs on my phone, the cops out here pay more attention to the factory specs than trying to measure it. If it goes to court the factory specs should exonerate you. Not sure what a 1/10" would in these circumstances. Yours might be different so you should act accordingly. I try to stay out of those areas, my area you can wear a sword if you like and any length folder is a go, can't always do that so I do have a few shortie knives. Good luck with your selection.
     
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  10. Smiling

    Smiling

    Nov 21, 2019
    I still can't wait these knives hit the shelves and reviews start coming. This thread is something to keep an eye on :D
     
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  11. Chris_Texas

    Chris_Texas

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    Apr 2, 2020
    Exactly my point. If the legal maximum length is 4" I would prefer to show that it is officially LESS than that length. 3.9 for example.

    Enough sidetracking from me.
     
  12. DocJD

    DocJD

    Jan 29, 2016
    :) Yeah , badly off topic ...but in ~70 years of living mostly in the rural midwest USA , I've been subjected to cops measuring my blade length exactly NEVER ! :rolleyes:

    I'd seriously think about moving to a less totalitarian jurisdiction if I commonly had this problem . :confused:
     
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  13. DemkoKnives

    DemkoKnives

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    May 15, 2006
    All the 3v has been outstanding
     
  14. goldie

    goldie

    Feb 18, 2000
    Thats great to hear .Thanks again for the info.
     
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  15. goldie

    goldie

    Feb 18, 2000
    Ive heard a lot of people think the trailmaster and recon scouts are weak at the tangs. The only failures ive seen with one of each was in SK5 and they were being batoned through huge pieces of wood,almost too big and extreme to really be using a knife for.do you think these 3v models will be much stronger,even if the tang is the same?
     
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  16. Smiling

    Smiling

    Nov 21, 2019
    I've seen videos of O1 failing too. And several pics of broken O1, Carbon V and SK-5.

    They mostly say corners aren't rounded enough and it makes sense as they all fail at the same place - next to the brass hand guard... IMO 3V should be a lot better than either of those...

    EDIT: Brass* not brads :D
     
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  17. oxman198

    oxman198

    Jun 17, 2013
    Ive done some retarded abusive things with my carbon v trailmaster and its held up like a champ. I do baton occasionally but not through logs big enough to split with one whack from an axe. I will absolutely be getting a 3v trailmaster when they come out, I dont care if its 300 bucks. And seeing as they will be releasing a 3v version along with a stainless version, the idea of the 4034 is IMO not a bad idea. I may give the recon scout in 4034 a chance to see how it stacks up against my beloved trailmaster. If I like the reduced size/weight better who knows, I may give the 3v version a shot after that.
     
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  18. goldie

    goldie

    Feb 18, 2000
    I never batonned w my carbon v trailmaster,but i did cut through about 15 feet of tough rhodedendrums and it wasnt a struggle either. Funny how people on ebay are going nuts for and spending big money on carbon v when all they have to do is buy a kabar in 1095 cro van which is the same steel.Wait till those jamokees find out about 3v.
     
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  19. Smiling

    Smiling

    Nov 21, 2019
    1095 Cro Van is better than 1095 and SK-5, but it's no match for 3V.
     
  20. Chris_Texas

    Chris_Texas

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    Apr 2, 2020
    I don't doubt it-- not because it is true, but because people seem to look for things to complain about. The Trailmaster is something like 5/16ths thick. How in the hell could you possibly seriously damage it ( other than maybe edge chipping on the San mai models)? What in the hell would you possibly doing except deliberately trying to ruin the thing? I used an old Ontario Kabar as a digging tool for years, hammering it through roots and rocks and prying with it like an idiot. It's bent to hell and rust pitted but it never broke. The Trailmaster would, in my opinion, be essentially indestructible even if used irresponsibly.

    In an emergency, which really means that you are actually being careful rather than foolish, I would trust any tool steel trailmaster with my life. No hesitation.
     
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