All That Is Survive! Knives, Post Here Reopened

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  1. Presumed_Lost

    Presumed_Lost

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    Oct 27, 2003
    Especially in this field, long waiting periods, delays, poor communications and unfulfilled promises are almost completely UNHEARD of. ;) Free market, if buyers don't like the tradeoffs a manufacturer presents them with then there's no demand. Survive! has got more demand than they can handle, so t seems that a lot of folks want more emphasis, and more of their money, spent on what makes a knife work as a tool rather than as a fetish object. They're up-front about what aspects of the knife they spend effort and the customer's money on on and what they don't. If you want a knife that doubles as an item of jewelry there's not exactly a shortage of those- do they ALL have to be like that? It seems quite a number of us don't care greatly about that aspect.
     
  2. Presumed_Lost

    Presumed_Lost

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    Oct 27, 2003
    Similar. Mine was ordered on 12/26. At the time they said they'd all ship before 1/17. Did I really believe that? No. I also volunteered to have my order put behind any active military.. I'm sure they ignored that, too much tracking, but obviously I didn't have cause to squawk if it took longer. Received 2/13, so well under two months. I don't want to minimize the problems of those who have been waiting a year or more for some pre-orders, but ordering a product that you know doesn't exist yet at a heavy discount really IS different.. and I bought Randalls, Loveless and Morans back in the day when waiting periods were three years or more. Supply and demand just works that way.
     
  3. McVeyMac

    McVeyMac

    Feb 19, 2013
    James, I wish that I could argue just one of your points, but I cannot. Well I guess I can argue that all of the grinds on my example knives are just fine. The reason I jumped in with both feet regarding Survive is that as a fellow Pennsylvanian I wanted to support him. He had a good story, and I wanted to help him succeed. I guess this motivation is now gone. I now have every Survive knife that I have ordered. I have no further desire to order another.
     
  4. willythekid

    willythekid

    Oct 19, 2011
    After I receive my 3.5 my transactions with Survive! will more than likely be done as well... my patience that was given in the early days of this company has long since dried up. Another missed deadline? Check. No attempt to keep your customers informed on when they will receive their knife? Check. Guy still can not be bothered to answer concerns on BFs... Check.
    I still kills me that people are comparing wait times to Randall and other high-end customs. This is a production model and Guy could be (if he had his you-know-what together) giving much more accurate time-frames. Most of the time at least, I know some things can be out of his control, but not every single time... I love my GSOs for what they are, hard working knives. These are neither pretty or particularly great buys, just a solid knife at an fair price point. I doubt I am the only one a bit surprised that Survive! is packing up shop and moving while still so far behind on customer's orders.
     
  5. Sonnydaze

    Sonnydaze Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 6, 2009
    I'm still waiting on my 3.5. I ordered it, IIRC, last September. I've been told, by email, that delivery (this time) will be late this month. Hey, Guy, I'm NOT getting any younger. Moving before you send out these old pre-orders? Better not, unless you want your rep to plummet with your customers...
    Sonnydaze
     
  6. Presumed_Lost

    Presumed_Lost

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    Oct 27, 2003
    Hmmm.. back in the day, that was a very common packing material known as "excelsior", though I don't know why it was called that. I was shocked me when I opened the box, I hadn't seen the stuff since the '60s at least. It was basically floor sweepings from woodworking shops of various kinds, came in all sorts of consistencies, was "recycled" and "ecologically sound" LONG before anyone thought in those terms, before plastic became the cheapest substance per ounce on the planet. "Tinder" didn't cross my mind, and maybe that is the intent now, but it was a "blast from the past". Just like in the old days, opening any box or crate pretty automatically meant sweeping after...
     
  7. McVeyMac

    McVeyMac

    Feb 19, 2013
    "FRAGILE, it must be Italian."
     
  8. stereo.pete

    stereo.pete

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    Apr 7, 2013
    I'm still waiting on my preordered GSO 10...
     
  9. Caba

    Caba

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    Mar 28, 2013
    I'm still waiting on my GSO3.5 and NeckerII. After that I'm probably done as well from the simple fact that I have 8 of his knives already. On the positive Survive Knives has introduced me to other makers through BFs. I have order pending from JK, busse custom shop, and the scrapyard, plus a few others makers I'm eying once I have more funds.
     
  10. willythekid

    willythekid

    Oct 19, 2011
    That is crazy... I'd be extremely pi$$ed off if I were you, and rightfully so. Have you tried to get in touch with them to find out what is going on? I've never had good luck reaching them but others have.
     
  11. McVeyMac

    McVeyMac

    Feb 19, 2013
    I am very sorry to hear of this. I would definitely contact them. Perhaps they lost or overlooked something.
     
  12. james terrio

    james terrio Sharpest Knife in the Light Socket

    Apr 15, 2010
    My knowledge is based only on what I've read here and in other discussions. I have neither ordered nor personally examined a GSO to date.
     
  13. calemerson

    calemerson Basic Member Basic Member

    Jun 23, 2007
    Any updates on tbe 3.5 or necker II? Maybe I should just buy another Bark River?
     
  14. Caba

    Caba

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    Mar 28, 2013
    Nothing on the necker, but apparently the 3.5s should be out soon. Who knows?
     
  15. adamg01

    adamg01

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    Dec 8, 2013
    I'm dying to read some reviews on the 3.5 but apparently the orders will never be filled.
     
  16. dopenerd

    dopenerd

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    May 8, 2013
    They are worth the wait.be patient
     
  17. Mike157

    Mike157 Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 29, 2006
    I have a 3.5 and necker 2 on order also. However long they take to get here, I don't think Guy is the type of person to bail on us, especially with our money in hand. As far as fit and finish, all of the models I've taken delivery of so far have been very good with finely finished, very sharp edges. Mike
     
  18. calemerson

    calemerson Basic Member Basic Member

    Jun 23, 2007
    If I ever get my pre-orders I paid my hard earned money for I will probably trade them. I just don't agree with the way this whole thing has went.
     
  19. Presumed_Lost

    Presumed_Lost

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    Oct 27, 2003
    I've only had my 4.1 for a few days, so I'm allowed to change my mind. It's in the forum by-laws, you can look it up.

    I'm going to reverse myself here. I keep looking at this knife, holding in my hand, turning it over, feeling the form and balance, checking details, then reading the complaints, then looking at the knife again...

    I think you all should stay completely away from this company. Don't order, don't consider it, cancel your existing orders if you can. Leave these terrible tooling marks and horrible grinds to those foolish enough not to let it bother them (especially if they can't really notice the glaring "defects" without a lens), those foolish enough not to care even a LITTLE whether a banker would approve the company's business plan, foolish enough not to care greatly which of the United States they're being made in, foolish enough not to be personally offended by the very THOUGHT that some folks who ordered products that didn't exist yet at a steep discount ended up waiting quite a while in some cases.

    I mean, sorry, but from everything I've seen so far this is a very nice knife indeed, as was the one other that I've held, and for some incomprehensible reason in SPITE of all those excellent reasons not to buy demand is still such that there just aren't nearly enough to go around... so...

    Be offended. Be very offended. I'll help... I'm, um, OUTRAGED that it took, let's see, more than three weeks longer than was originally projected to receive mine, and I tell you right now, I have little doubt that after the next three or four it will be a LONG time indeed before I buy another one from this company. I'm DEEPLY troubled that a company selling goods faster than they can make them might not feel the need of the sage advice of bankers about it, Hell, if they don't need to borrow money they might not even HAVE a business plan for others to judge. Where would we be if more companies didn't go into debt to people who don't know anything about their business, if the people who started and built companies just made their own decisions about running them, I ask you? And how DARE they try to succeed without seeking OUR advice on this forum? Especially those who can pronounce judgement on the knives without having seen one, how can you possibly be more unbiased than that? A young company making their share of mistakes but still managing to make money hand over fist needs our advice to dwell on the mistakes properly.

    Not only that, but I think they OUGHT to be made in my native state of Oklahoma, I'm VERY disappointed that they're not, and I'll be even MORE offended if they're moving but not going where I feel strongly that they should. Oh, and you know what else? When I ordered mine the only option for the handle screw finish was "tumbled", and these are BLACK! I think they owe me an apology and an immediate refund for that so I can buy another, maybe a slightly different model, with the RIGHT screws! The nerve.

    All of you with any sense of propriety at all should just walk away, right now, before they open their order books again, and feel very good about yourselves for doing it, too. Leave these knives to those fools who don't have their priorities straight about what makes a good knife purchase. If I can help reinforce your morale on that point just let me know, happy to oblige.
     
  20. Revolverrodger

    Revolverrodger KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jul 23, 2007
    You have a pretty strong negative opinion for someone who has never touched or used a GSO knife...
     
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