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  1. dingy

    dingy

    Feb 19, 2008
    i really hope in the future OKC may offer a more consice version of sp16 that without hole on it and made of 5160 steel.
     
  2. PocketKnifeJimmy

    PocketKnifeJimmy

    Aug 4, 2013
    I just ordered an Ontario Ranger RD II Hawk. I was wondering, simply out of curiosity, why Ontario uses 5160 steel for their Ranger series knives, but chose 1075 for the Ranger Hawk? Also, my Ontario Spax is made with the 1095, so I wonder on that too why the spax is 1095, and the RD Hawk with 1075? Pros & Cons... And maybe the decision process behind these choices. Thanks in advance for quenching my thirst for these details ☺
     
  3. Toooj

    Toooj

    920
    Aug 8, 2006
    Hi PKJ,

    The use of steel has a lot to do with what was available at the time and also who the designer was/is, and what their preference was for each product. The SPax was designed way back in the early to mid 90s. 1095 was the steel available back then. Today there is a wider range of steels available now, I think 5160 or 1075 would probably be a better choice these days.
    The Ranger knives were designed by Justin Gingrich and he used 5160 for his Custom Ranger knives so that was what was carried over to the Ontario Ranger line.
    5160 and 1075 will be tougher (which is a good thing for axes, hatchets and choppers), 1095 will give better edge holding due to the larger percentage of carbon. Should we change the SPax over to 5160 or 1075? .... Tougher steel for sure but we have not had a lot of SPax returns with issues relating to toughness or chipped out edges. Still food for thought.
    Hope this helps.

    Best Regards,

    Paul Tsujimoto
    Director of Engineering
    Ontario Knife Company
     
  4. PocketKnifeJimmy

    PocketKnifeJimmy

    Aug 4, 2013
    Awesome, Sir... I appreciate you taking the time to answer ☺
     
  5. LG&M

    LG&M

    Dec 19, 2005
    Has Ontario ever considered using some of the other great steels? Ontario has been around a long time so I am sure they have and I'm not talking about the flavor of the day " super" steel. I was thinking more like sprite runs with say D2, 52100, 80 cr v.
    L6.
    I know if it's not broken don't fix it, still might be fun and might sell some knives.
     
  6. Toooj

    Toooj

    920
    Aug 8, 2006
    LG & M,

    As a mater of fact; yes. We talk all the time about making variations with different steels, coatings and handle materials. You should start to see some things already and more in the near future.
    Hope this helps.

    Best Regards,

    Paul Tsujimoto
    Director of Engineering
    Ontario Knife Company
     
  7. LG&M

    LG&M

    Dec 19, 2005
    Good to hear, thanks for the feed back.
     
  8. Tdhurl1103

    Tdhurl1103

    Dec 6, 2012

    Care to elaborate a bit on the "near future" offerings?" ;)
     
  9. Toooj

    Toooj

    920
    Aug 8, 2006
    TDHurl,

    So far it's all secret squirrel stuff.

    Sorry for not being much help.

    Best Regards,

    Paul Tsujimoto
    Director of Engineering
    Ontario Knife Company
     
  10. Tdhurl1103

    Tdhurl1103

    Dec 6, 2012
    I had to ask.
     
  11. 87Burban

    87Burban Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 10, 2009
    A limited run of the old drop point style RD6 in 3/16" S7 would certainly be worth consideration...


    Just saying...

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    Last edited: Oct 13, 2015
  12. LG&M

    LG&M

    Dec 19, 2005
    I think S7 would be good in the sp line also.
     
  13. Toooj

    Toooj

    920
    Aug 8, 2006
    87Bur and LG&M,

    I like S-7 also. I will have our purchasing people see about availability and cost....at least for a sprint run. Availability, cost and manufacturing processing will always be the major factors in whether we can do a project.

    Best Regards,

    Paul Tsujimoto
    VP of Engineering
    Ontario Knife Company
     
  14. shinyedges

    shinyedges Unfaltering Love & Undeviating Will Gold Member

    Jun 5, 2012
    Rather than s7 I vote, either 3v or z wear.. I would buy more than 1 of each..
     
  15. Toooj

    Toooj

    920
    Aug 8, 2006
    Shiny,

    Whoooshh. You are tough. :eek: Both steels are very expensive and very difficult to process. It could be done but would you buy a $300MSRP RD6?
    I may be shooting from the hip about the price but I'm probably not far off.

    You have me cringing,:p


    Paul Tsujimoto
    VP of Engineering
    Ontario Knife Company
     
  16. shinyedges

    shinyedges Unfaltering Love & Undeviating Will Gold Member

    Jun 5, 2012
    Knowing what I spend on knives , I probably would lol I have a love affair with 3v and been wanting to try z wear. I know they are hard on belts, and more $.. but can't a guy can dream haha
     
  17. LG&M

    LG&M

    Dec 19, 2005
    Great, can't wait to see what happens.
    assuming everything works out this should be good for everyone.
    Thanks.for looking into it.
     
  18. LG&M

    LG&M

    Dec 19, 2005
    I saw you have a Larry the cable guy " get r done " old Hickory line. :thumbup:
    A bottle opener with the old Hickery handle would go good with that.
     
  19. 52100

    52100

    538
    Dec 9, 2008
    Superb idea. I'd buy one for the kitchen, one for the garage, and another dozen as stocking stuffers.
     
  20. Toooj

    Toooj

    920
    Aug 8, 2006
    Guys,

    Old Hic bottle opener....noted! I did the KA-BAR Grivory bottle opener so I have some experience in beverage emancipation ....the best part was the testing!

    Best Regards,

    Paul Tsujimoto
    VP of Engineering
    Ontario Knife Company
     

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