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Brother is really hard on knives, looking for an inexpensive tough knife in a decent steel

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Macchina, May 8, 2019.

  1. marcinek

    marcinek

    Jan 9, 2007
    And more expensive knives don't magically repel gunk.
     
  2. BITEME

    BITEME

    Dec 14, 2007
    Let him buy his own knives
     
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  3. whp

    whp

    Apr 26, 2009
    Agree.
    Get the best cheap alternative, the Rat 1. Has been a good work knife for me, but I don t abuse my knives. I do use them hard.
    Thin ground and keeps a working age for a long time. D2 blade is a good choice.
     
  4. Mo2

    Mo2

    Apr 8, 2016
    No. Cause it's lockbar is too thin and will travel to 100% lockup and its om bearing, which you don't want to use like he suggests his brother is gonna use it like. Really wranglestar just likes that it's a flipper. Wait until he tried more flippers that are better than that thing.
     
  5. 353

    353

    975
    Feb 20, 2015
    COLD STEEL RECON 1 with CTS-XHP steel.

    Cheap, strong triad lock and a pretty nice steel. :cool::thumbsup:
     
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  6. pinnah

    pinnah

    Jul 28, 2011
    Of the 2 traditional knives mentioned, the Opinel and Buck 110, I would go with the Opinel for this, particularly in the 9 or 10 size. I think the 110 is a funner knife and I carry one most days now since finding the aluminum framed one from Copper and Clad. But the joints of the 110 are nowhere near as rugged as the joints on the larger Opinels. You can pry all day long with an Opinel and all you're going to do is work harden and eventually snap the blade. I've never seen one develop blade play even when abused.

    Note: your brother shouldn't pry in a way that could cause the knife to close. The Opinel's lock will fail in that direction very quickly. It's more like a slip joint. If your brother needs to pry towards the blade, he should be using a fixed blade. I would recommend the Mora Companion as a great beater work knife, or the HD version if he really needs a pry bar.
     
  7. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 20, 2005
    This is about the way I feel about it generally. You can trash a more expensive knife, so why even bother?

    I know how it is for knife folks and family wanting to "show them the light" and all that stuff. But, sometimes I think it best just to learn on your own with perhaps an occasional suggestion for a new knife when the topic comes up. Something from Cold Steel sounds good.
     
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  8. Colorodo

    Colorodo Gold Member Gold Member

    May 23, 2014
    Fixed blade.
     
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  9. bikerector

    bikerector Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 16, 2016
    I've been looking at these, seem like a neat knife to do non-knife stuff with.

    Maybe a multi-tool would be better? I know a few have replaceable blades. Otherwise, I was was thinking a buck 110 or 112 would be good as they're stout and durable.

    Really, it sounds like he needs a fixed blade. Get him a Bk2 or an esee 5. Really, even the esee cr2.5 is pretty stout for a small knife. I sold one I had because it was excessively thick for a small fixed blade, IMO.

    I think the spyderco byrd knives are well made and durable as well.
     
  10. ucfgrad93

    ucfgrad93

    372
    Dec 13, 2017
    I agree with others saying a Rat 1 or a Steel Will Cutjack.
     
  11. Henry Beige

    Henry Beige Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 1, 2015
    That will teach him a lesson he won’t soon forget. There’s no gettin’ used to that lock.

    I like the Opinel suggestion, too. For a fixed blade, Mora, Hultafors GK, or Schrade SCHF55, which was designed with abuse in mind.
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2019
  12. marcinek

    marcinek

    Jan 9, 2007
    Agreed. Though Cold Steel might even be much, to me. If the brother is getting into knives, they might be a good choice. But it doesn't sound like it. Crazy as it sounds, some people have no passion for knives whatsoever. Sounds like he is one of them.

    I'm sure if I bought him a Cold Steel (which aren't cheap anymore), then I saw him opening paint cans with it, throwing it into trees, and using a pull through sharpener on it....I would just be po'ed at him.

    I would just spend the money on something he appreciates. Buying something for someone that you appreciate never works. :D
     
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  13. marcinek

    marcinek

    Jan 9, 2007
    Opinel is not a "hard use" knife. This guy is going to break it in a heartbeat if he doesn't leave it out in the rain first.

    Mora actually is a nice choice. They really were designed to be abused and then tossed.
     
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  14. marrenmiller

    marrenmiller Basic Member Basic Member

    Apr 6, 2017
    Cold Steel Recon 1 or Code 4 might be good options.

    Moras are a good option if he can tolerate a fixed blade.
     
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  15. pinnah

    pinnah

    Jul 28, 2011
    A buddy of mine is a carpenter/GC. Not surprisingly, he's into knives and hand tools in general.

    He saw an Opinel 8 I had at the time and raised his eyebrows so I gave it to him and told him to try to break it. We would joke about when we bumped into each other at church and he would shake his head that it was still going.

    Eventually after 18 months, he snapped the blade and brought the busted up knife for me to see. He reported that he went out of his way to bust and specifically noted that he specifically reached for the Opinel anytime he had to open a paint can or pry some wood just so he could see when the knife would fail. That knife never developed blade play.

    Opinels have comparatively thin blades and overbuilt joints. Like any knife, they can be broken and the weak link is the blade generally speaking. You can try this at home for $15 a pop. Put the blade in a vice and go at the handle. You'll bust off the blade but in most cases, the joint will be unaffected.

    The person who tipped me to the Opinel was named Pete. He used to post in the Traditional forum and used to work HVAC where he used a #9 to plunge cut duct work.

    Honestly though, nobody but traditional nuts would consider either the 110 or an Opinel or any other traditional. They're too hard to carry unless you use a holster or use rear pocket carry.
     
  16. marcinek

    marcinek

    Jan 9, 2007
    Yes, just like I said, he will break it. As you say, it has a weak link. :thumbsup:

    Knives that don't break don't have one.
     
  17. Pteronarcyd

    Pteronarcyd

    181
    Feb 19, 2019
    Steel Will Cutjack.
     
  18. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 20, 2005
    Pretty good suggestion in D2. I have the M390 Mini Cutjack and like it alot. He will probably have trouble sharpening it however.
     
  19. James Y

    James Y

    Feb 18, 1999
    Why not have him buy the knife himself and learn to care for it himself, i.e., loctiting the screws, cleaning out the gunk, and resharpening it himself, too. He might take a little better care of the knife if he buys it himself and learns to be responsible for its maintenance instead of relying on you to do it. Then it might last a year instead of 6 months.

    With the way he uses his knives, 8Cr13MoV is probably a good steel choice for him. I would NOT recommend a higher-end knife with more expensive steel if it's essentially a throw-away item to him.

    Jim
     
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  20. Boozoo Chavis

    Boozoo Chavis

    Oct 18, 2003
    I think you're spot on with the Kershaw Barge for your brother. It's a tank with a pry bar and a better steel won't help much. My brother is the same way with a knife - he either loses it or destroys (breaks blade, etc) it in 3-6 months. Guys like our brothers need/deserve replaceable $17 dollar Kershaw's so they don't go broke buying knives over and over.:D
     

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