Can a big blade replace a hatchet/axe?

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by DangerZone98, Jan 30, 2021.

  1. DocJD


    Jan 29, 2016
    I'm just poking fun at those videos with huge beautiful knot-free rounds being used to baton for "survival" .

    I've got no problem with the technique per se . Even using a "hard use " folder , if that's all you've got .
  2. Danke42


    Feb 10, 2015
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  3. dirc


    Jan 31, 2018
    yeah, but which of those work better? :)

    ... I've always been a fan of the teepee, since gathering random fallen branches results in many sizes, and you use the smallest in the inside and work your way to larger ones around the outside

    I can't say I've tried them all

    ...Swedish I only bother with if I find a rotten/hollow log
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  4. Danke42


    Feb 10, 2015
    The Swedish is undoubtedly the best.
  5. Pilsner

    Pilsner Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Oct 28, 2017
    Hahaha :D Guilty as charged. Much more pleasant to camp in the woods, even at that time of year!
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  6. DangerZone98


    Dec 7, 2019
    Wow, there’s actually a science in crafting campfires? I always thought you just throw a pile of wood in one spot and light them up, lol. Learn something new everyday.
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  7. Pilsner

    Pilsner Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Oct 28, 2017
    A teepee build is very good when it is actively raining or snowing - or at least it is in my experience!
  8. Chapp


    Mar 28, 2018
    I've tried a bunch of them. In terms of pure performance, the Swedish works the best, but you need the tools.

    The best compromise between easiness and performance is the tippie or the platform fire. You don't need to have the same sizes of branches/log, which is always a plus.

    Clearly bullshit unless his bear was an isolated cub or a badly wounded one. A bear skull is very thick, especially in the forhead, then you have the adrenaline of one of the most powerful animal out there and the difficulty of hitting the right spot while a fast thing is charging at you.

    I don't buy it. In a situation like that, even a rifle isn't a sure bet.
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  9. Hal


    Feb 26, 1999
    For real?
    Yeah - there's a whole bunch of different types & styles of campfire & they all perform different tasks. Spend some time with google and check out all the different ones & then give them a whirl.
    Honest to God - you haven't lived until you've had some foods cooked slow over an open fire or steamed &/or baked in a covered pit & Dutch Oven.

    Personally though, 99.9% of the time - I just spark up a teepee.

    On topic for the OP - I don't recall seein it here so far, but, my camp "blade" is one of my wife's several Harbor Freight $5 and under machetes.
    (the woman has some serious addiction to those things. She even bought a couple for our grandson as birthday presents. I've also caught her a few time eyeing my Schrade Bowie...)[/quote]​
  10. DocJD


    Jan 29, 2016
    Welcome to Campfire Building Forum ! :rolleyes:

    Another vote for Tepee . Especially for salvage deadwood . All size and shapes .

    Get some protection from wind / rain . Some chimney effect . Easiest . :cool::thumbsup::thumbsup:
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  11. MarkN86


    Sep 3, 2012
    I swear, some people would argue with a fence post over what kind of wood it's made of.

    So you're a wildlife and ecosystem scientist? If you're not, what makes you believe that you know more than those who dedicate their entire careers to this stuff? In a survival situation you aren't going to chop down every dead tree in sight, and if they are not overly concerned about the loss of one or two dead trees obviously it's no big deal in the long run.

    Black bears are one of the smaller kinds of bear, we have a few in our area so I've seen them around. A bear's skull is indeed pretty thick, but living bone and dry bone are two different things, dry bone is a lot harder. There have been multiple reports up north of even a smaller hatchet to the head killing a black bear. There are reports of a 5" knife being used successfully in bear defense, obviously not against the skull but it did work. I wouldn't want to try it myself. I'd have more trouble believing the stories about the people who strangled a bear to death empty handed.

    In the woods, saws seem really effective. They cut dry wood rather well where even an axe struggles. I may be wrong, but it seems like they can be somewhat fragile if used carelessly. If they go dull I'm not sure how you'd go about sharpening them quickly. I can't say I wouldn't take a saw, but I wouldn't rely on a saw alone.

    When it comes to fires teepee really is a great way to do it, I've had more success with that method than others. Fire isn't the only thing you'll need to be concerned with, shelter is probably the most critical if you aren't carrying a lightweight tent. A lot of times even a big knife can cut sticks to make a shelter. Having a dry place to store tinder and kindling to allow it to dry out is critical.

    I'm not a wilderness survival expert, I'm just a guy surrounded by natural resources and a willingness to learn. I am human and have made my share of blunders that sent me packing back to the house. Even if I don't know what does work, I can share some experiences of what doesn't work.
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  12. DocJD


    Jan 29, 2016
    The axeman would have some , too ! :eek::poop:

    I've probably seen way too many Cold Steel proof videos , but a full sized felling axe properly applied to a black bear's head could at least be a strong discouragement . Smallest bear species on the continent . :rolleyes:
  13. Andy the Aussie

    Andy the Aussie Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jan 29, 2010
    ..... I have many questions....many many questions.....but this is not the place for that.... ;)
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  14. SuburbanBarbarian


    Aug 12, 2018
    I've had an ax skip and bite my shin after it hit a knot. Luckily I was bear my Wife and her Mom (both nurses).
  15. Riz!

    Riz! Gold Member Gold Member

    May 5, 2014
    HEY MAN! Back in september I pocket deployed a cold steel Espada XL to cut my wedding cake!

    A far as a big knife replacing a hatchet I think everyone here has been spot on with all of their answers. I for one carry a tomahawk and a medium knife. The hawk rides in my daypack and the knife on my belt. Where I live and where I hunt, fish or camp that combo serves me well.
  16. justjed


    Oct 23, 2010

    What he said!!!!!
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  17. johnnywizzo


    Mar 1, 2018
    I've heated my house and camp with wood for almost 50 years, and while I have a large collection of knives of all shapes and sizes, I use an axe and a splitting maul. When I run into a particularly gnarly piece of wood, I use steel wedges, and at last resort, a chainsaw.
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  18. Drop bear

    Drop bear

    May 3, 2020

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