Cold Steel Secure-Ex nightmare! Sheath issues still not adressed! Beware!

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by EatingSarma, Sep 16, 2020.

  1. EatingSarma


    Jun 22, 2020
    I carried 3V Mini Pendleton as EDC for the first time and when I pulled it out to cut a zip tie - it was as dull as a spoon. How did it happen? Because in the morning before I went to work it was razor sharp!

    There's the answer:
    Even CPM-3V steel is no match for dulling power of Cold Steel Secure-Ex sheath.
    Secure-ex sheath will make your blade trully secure, you won't be able to cut yourself, or anyone for that matter even if you try!
    Sheath itself is carefully executed in a way that you don't even need to press the blade against it while drawing to get the ultimate dulling effect!
    Cold Steel master engineers have made sure to design it in a way that it will dull your blade while you're simply carrying it.

    So, my 3V Mini Pendleton Butter is safe even for little children.

    Jokes aside, I was lucky to still have my D2 Boker GoBag in my backpack. So I'm still using a knife this one should replace, that is until I get a proper sheath for this one. Because Cold Steel will give you a really crappy sheath and pretend it's all fine.

    Cold Steel usually ignores threads about their sheaths and will not adress these issues so I thought that it should be posted here as beware to people.
  2. BladeScout

    BladeScout Basic Member Basic Member

    May 16, 2010
    Havent used my CS synthetic sheaths enough to experience any dulling but then I never cared much for the look/feel of the CS Secure-Ex sheaths anyways. I make leather or kydex sheaths for my CS knives right off the bat. You could make a new sheath and ditch the Secure-Ex sheath, if its not to your liking.
  3. EatingSarma


    Jun 22, 2020
    That's what I will do. But I'm just making this thread to let people know that Cold Steel sheaths are useless. And to put this issue to the light as Cold Steel is refusing to acknowledge it.

    Nobody is expecting sheaths to be perfect, but these ones aren't even usable. Yet you still pay for them when buying the knife. They should give people more options IMO, at least an option to pay less and buy a knife without crappy sheath.

    Also it is sad that you cannot use the knife right away when you buy it, especially when it's from company that markets their knives as weapons.

    Imagine getting a Cold Steel knife, taking it somewhere to wilderness or to battle to discover it has sharpness of a butter knife because of crappy sheath full of glass...

    I'm not saying that all of their knives are getting dulled by the sheath, but Secure-ex does have lots of dulling potential and it will significantly dull your knife if you ever slide your blade against it. And it's always possible it will start to dull your knife with time. This is not just a polymer, this is full of glass fibers. Especially interior it seems.

    Why would someone choose such a poor material is beyond me. But I'll at least tell people how bad it is.
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  4. BladeScout

    BladeScout Basic Member Basic Member

    May 16, 2010
    Thats what I like about Terävä.
    Terävä offered that option at one point; you could buy their excellent knives cheaper sans sheath. I like that option and I bought the Skrama, the 140, the 110 and the Mini Puukko, then made leather sheaths for most of them and kydex for for the Mini. Even better, three of the knives came with a liner. A great deal.

    That aside, the Terävä sheaths are thought by most to be very good.

    Its cheap.
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  5. Steely_Gunz

    Steely_Gunz Got the Khukuri fevah Moderator

    May 9, 2002
    I have a new San Mai Tan Pan I bought on a whim a couple months ago. I liked the idea of the Secure-Ex, but i do find it to be a bit lackluster and see where it could bugger the edge.

    I plan on making a new sheath for an otherwise awesome fighting dagger the next time I made it to the leather supply store. I already have a couple designs in mind.
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  6. Baggins


    Oct 13, 2017
    From razor sharp to butter knife in one pull?
    Possibly a slight exaggeration there?

    This video compared the fresh edge, after 10, after 30 and after 100 pulls out of the sheath - still cut paper at the end.

    And that's on SK5 steel..

    So while it will dull your one extraction is unlikely.
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  7. 000Robert

    000Robert Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 28, 2020
    I am no expert to be sure, but if my knife was dulled simply by unsheathing and sheathing it in a kydex sheath, I would question the steel and/or the HT of the steel.
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  8. not2sharp

    not2sharp Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 29, 1999
    That or the sharpening technique, which seems to be relying on a burr.

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  9. 000Robert

    000Robert Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 28, 2020
    Yeah. Maybe they are making their edge angles too acute as well.
  10. Lee D

    Lee D Basic Member Basic Member

    May 27, 2013
    Their sheaths are the major reason I don’t buy their knives. Ive bought a couple, my most recent being a push dagger that never came out of the sheath as sharp as it was when I sheathed it. It’s a shame, because I like some of their designs and I’d be buying them if they came with decent leather instead of a cheap, plastic feeling pair of pants.
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  11. jlauffer

    jlauffer Dissident Aggressor Platinum Member

    Apr 11, 2016
    The problem with that is that he only tested one sheath and one knife. There are going to be manufacturing variances in the sheaths and knives, such that some will make more edge contact than others.
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  12. AntDog

    AntDog Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Apr 3, 2001
    It’s not kydex... and that’s the problem.
  13. 000Robert

    000Robert Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 28, 2020
    It's not acrylic PVC?
  14. Alberta Ed

    Alberta Ed

    Jun 29, 1999
    I've been disappointed by many of the sheathes that came with new knives: C&C Buck 212, Benchmade Puukko, Roselli and CS SRK and Master Hunter. I've made leather sheaths for all of those using the originals for a pattern. The best leather sheathes I've acquired in the last couple of decades have been the well-made ones from Marble's, when Mike Stewart was running the place.
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  15. AntDog

    AntDog Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Apr 3, 2001
    Secure-Ex is not kydex. Kydex doesn’t dull blades.
  16. 000Robert

    000Robert Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 28, 2020
    I tried to find a MDS on it but couldn't find one.
  17. AntDog

    AntDog Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Apr 3, 2001
    I’d guess it’s glass filled nylon. I know that’s what the Becker BK2 sheath I had was and it dulled that knife in short order.

    Just wanted to clear up the misinformation. It ain’t kydex.
  18. Lee D

    Lee D Basic Member Basic Member

    May 27, 2013
    My BK11 and 14 sheaths did the same thing. I bought them both leather sheaths and gave them to young men learning to hunt.
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  19. Mitchell Knives

    Mitchell Knives Knifemaker Moderator

    May 21, 2000
    Some Secure-Ex sheaths seem to have more contact with the edge than others.

    All will dull your knife to some extent.

    Cold steel needs to cut at least $20 from the price of their knives to account for this.
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  20. Steely_Gunz

    Steely_Gunz Got the Khukuri fevah Moderator

    May 9, 2002
    Yeah, "Chops through a hog skull, dulls on plastic" doesn't have much marketing merit.

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