Corona thread. No politics please

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  1. JustinFournier

    JustinFournier Gold Member Gold Member

    May 7, 2012
    Ummmm, we do pretty close to that in Canada on a normal basis. I sure don’t support it but they don’t ask before they take it.

    I paid 45.8% income tax and thousands in other deductions for various mandatory government programs. 53.5% is the highest bracket. Cumulative.
     
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  2. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
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  3. Lorien

    Lorien KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 5, 2005
    this is the thing that scares me the most, that by not taking early action to curb the spread, a more dangerous virus would emerge
     
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  4. Casinostocks

    Casinostocks Factotum Gold Member

    Mar 20, 2016
    Discussing taxes, what is fair and unfair and whether anyone / everyone is paying their fair share can create a sh*tstorm which is why I tired to avoid the message which you responded to. In fact, I wrote 2 responses which I deleted both times because I was apprehensive about coming across as if I was fouling the spirit of this great COVID-19 thread.

    I make no secrets about where I stand on politics: I lean center-left socially and I am center-right on fiscal issues. I like to think that I am an independent voter who finds quite a bit of comfort in the libertarian (small l libertarian) philosophies but I am also persuadable with other socio-economic arguments rooted in reason and backed by results. In other words, a three hugging hippy commie to some folks :rolleyes:

    With all that said, I absolutely loathe the current burden of taxation on the middle-class, never mind increasing the taxes in order to make up for the governmental eff-ups vis a vis horrible and wasteful management in addition to the lopsided and the top heavy giveaways. I am fortunate to live in a part of this Union where I can see some enormously mind boggling wealth, at times grotesquely excessive wealth at the disposal of a very minute number of our people. I can see with my own eyes as to how this unhealthy level of concentrated wealth seems to be increasing every day all the while the majority of people are truly suffering. To ask/demand/require the middle-class to pick up the tab and to contribute even more is nothing but a scheme/ruse to erode that very same middle-class.

    ETA: I am not insinuating that our friend vpk78 was advocating for a sharp raise in taxes on the middle-class. I had clearly understood what he was thinking aloud with some solutions.
     
  5. Lorien

    Lorien KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 5, 2005
    I don't understand this 'socially liberal, financial conservative' viewpoint. Doesn't being socially liberal require financial liberalism?
     
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  6. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    On average that hinges on how old you are and how rich you are. And trustafarians don't count.
     
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  7. Casinostocks

    Casinostocks Factotum Gold Member

    Mar 20, 2016
    No funny brownies for you!
     
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  8. Lorien

    Lorien KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 5, 2005
    sorry if my question seems political. It's more of a philosophical question
     
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  9. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    Overall it's better to be a bunch of shades of grey than a black and white hardliner. I know right now any platform is very polarized.

    They younger and poorer you are they more you'll tend to be idealistic and want to see the government lean towards helping people and support a political party or system that says they'll do that. Then as you age if you start to accumulate wealth and power people will tend to start leaning the other way and want to keep everything they've got for themselves or their kin or people like them and they will lean the other way.

    The way I describe it to myself is "Kindness is not Weakness".
     
  10. Casinostocks

    Casinostocks Factotum Gold Member

    Mar 20, 2016
    My reply had noting to do the perceived subtext of your Q. I just took some devilish pleasure in saying no funny brownies for you :p

    Regarding the center left/right thing on the socio-economic spectrum, with me it is more age group related: I’ve gone softer in the head as I’ve gotten older and poorer!
     
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  11. Lorien

    Lorien KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 5, 2005
    I went and got my peepee slapped for posting a potentially politically sensitive topic/question, and rightly so. I should know better than most to open those doors here:oops: I really liked your brownie comment, you devil! :)
     
  12. ronnie hood

    ronnie hood

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    Mar 12, 2018
    So they rewarded you?
     
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  13. Lorien

    Lorien KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 5, 2005
    don't ever confuse slapping with spanking. Big difference
     
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  14. Mike157

    Mike157 Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 29, 2006
    I could use one of those brownies about now. :D Mike
     
  15. Casinostocks

    Casinostocks Factotum Gold Member

    Mar 20, 2016
    From an article in today's NYT's digital front page. I am copying and pasting the whole article because not everyone may be able to open NYT links. Personally speaking, I have no opinion and no expertise on this matter!

    Steroids Can Be Lifesaving for Sickest Patients, Studies Show:


    International clinical trials published on Wednesday confirmed the hope that cheap, widely available steroid drugs can help seriously ill patients survive Covid-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus.

    Following release of the new data, the World Health Organization on Wednesday strongly recommended steroids for treatment of patients with severe or critical Covid-19 worldwide. But the agency recommended against giving the drugs to patients with mild disease.

    The new studies include an analysis that pooled data from seven randomized clinical trials evaluating three steroids in over 1,700 patients. The study concluded that each of the three drugs reduced the risk of death.

    That paper and three related studies were published in the journal JAMA, along with an editorial describing the research as an “important step forward in the treatment of patients with Covid-19.”

    Corticosteroids should now be the first-line treatment for critically ill patients, the authors added. The only other drug shown to be effective in seriously ill patients, and only modestly at that, is remdesivir.

    Steroids like dexamethasone, hydrocortisone and methylprednisolone are often used by doctors to tamp down the body’s immune system, alleviating inflammation, swelling and pain. Many Covid-19 patients die not of the virus, but of the body’s overreaction to the infection.

    The analysis of pooled data found that steroids were linked with a one-third reduction in deaths among Covid-19 patients. Dexamethasone produced the strongest results: a 36 percent drop in deaths in 1,282 patients treated in three separate trials.

    In June, researchers at Oxford University discovered that dexamethasone seemed to improve survival rates in severely ill patients. Researchers had hoped that other inexpensive steroids might help these patients.

    Taken together, the new studies will bolster confidence in the use of steroids and address any lingering hesitancy on the part of some physicians, said Dr. Todd Rice, an associate professor of medicine and critical care physician at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine.

    The analysis of pooled data found that steroids were linked with a one-third reduction in deaths among Covid-19 patients. Dexamethasone produced the strongest results: a 36 percent drop in deaths in 1,282 patients treated in three separate trials.

    In June, researchers at Oxford University discovered that dexamethasone seemed to improve survival rates in severely ill patients. Researchers had hoped that other inexpensive steroids might help these patients.

    Taken together, the new studies will bolster confidence in the use of steroids and address any lingering hesitancy on the part of some physicians, said Dr. Todd Rice, an associate professor of medicine and critical care physician at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine.
     
  16. CataD

    CataD Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 2, 2013
  17. Casinostocks

    Casinostocks Factotum Gold Member

    Mar 20, 2016
    I lost my oldest uncle back in early Feb this year due to severe pneumonia for which he was hospitalized for (he was 87 YO) and then he was hooked up to a ventilator. One of the drugs which was being administered was Dexamethasone. This was right at the cusp of COVID-19's spread (he lived elsewhere, not in the US) but COVID-19 was not as widespread back then. When he went into coma and the decision was whether to be intubated, after his children consulted with the physicians, it was decided not to intimate and let the process take its course which lasted a mere few days. Right after his passing, my cousins informed us that the hospital had started to take severe precautions against COVID-19 because just in a handful of days, the cases had alarming accelerated. They never found out if his COD was COVID-19 related because he fell outside of that window and quite frankly it shouldn't matter as he was old with a host of developing respiratory issues in his last year of life.

    This anecdotal tale has nothing to do with the efficacy of steroidal drugs but I cited it because when I read the article, I had an aha moment as it sounded familiar to me! However I do believe that this family of drugs may be helpful to some COVID-19 stricken patients who are perhaps not as old and as sick, with an immune system which is perhaps better suited for the fight for their lives.
     
  18. bluemax_1

    bluemax_1 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 17, 2014
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  19. Odog27

    Odog27 Basic Member Basic Member

    Nov 20, 2011
    They’ve known for a while that the corticosteroids can be helpful in calming the “cytokine storm” because they suppress the body’s immune response. Unfortunately, that also leaves you susceptible to other infections like pneumonia.
     
  20. CataD

    CataD Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 2, 2013
    @Casinostocks I'm sorry for your loss, Mat :(... My condolences..

    Anecdotally, I personally have an acquaintance whose parents (both) were treated with steroids / corticosteroids (don't know the specifics) a few months ago.. They're older and prob have underlying health conditions; they were doing OK last I heard. This was not in NA or EU..
     
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