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DEK1

Discussion in 'Carothers Performance Knives' started by Lorien, Sep 20, 2017.

  1. Nathan the Machinist

    Nathan the Machinist KnifeMaker / Machinist / Evil Genius Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 13, 2007

    You, and this, is why we did the EDC3. Our thinking was, if folks are every day carrying this, some might use it as weapon, and a stabbier tip might make sense for some. You are the reason we tweaked the pattern.
     
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  2. bluemax_1

    bluemax_1 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jan 17, 2014
    JJ, Thanks for the reply, and the photo of it.

    It's not the fact that there's a barely noticeable stain. It's the fact that there IS a stain, that has helped me make my decision.
     
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  3. JJ_Colt45

    JJ_Colt45 Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 11, 2014
    I can see that ... I hadn't thought much about it that way ... but the swedge would be the perfect change for that use ... it's always nice to hear the reasoning and thoughts behind the designs.

    I hated I needed to use it that way ... but it is so comfortable to carry is why I had it with me ... and even without the swedge it was plenty strong and sharp.
     
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  4. JJ_Colt45

    JJ_Colt45 Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 11, 2014
    I understand your thoughts ... I think if it had been cleaned up right away there wouldn't be any stain ... but I had to wait nearly two weeks to get it back ... I think that is the only reason it stained at all ...

    I have scrubbed blood from micarta many times ... even tree sap ... so it is an exception that it stained I believe ... definately not the rule.
     
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  5. bluemax_1

    bluemax_1 Gold Member Gold Member

    470
    Jan 17, 2014
    It's that it's actually possible to stain the material.

    Frankly, CWD scares me, and it's shown up here in MI. While there are no indications that it's jumped species from anything other than cervids, they said the same thing about BSE/mad cow disease, before they linked it to Creuzfeldt-Jakob disease.

    A material that doesn't stain/absorb anything is just for my personal peace of mind.
     
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  6. benchrest308

    benchrest308 Gold Member Gold Member

    74
    Mar 13, 2014
    I never gave much thought to, or any fear of, CWD until now. We have had a lot of positive reports if my facebook hunters group is anything to go by.
     
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  7. bluemax_1

    bluemax_1 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jan 17, 2014
    When you really start reading up onTSEs (Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathy), it's seriously concerning.

    BSE/Mad cow disease is thought to have jumped from sheep with scrapie.

    vCJD (variant Creuzfeldt-Jakob Disease) is linked to eating infected beef. The danger is that it doesn't show up immediately. It shows up years after. Anyone who's spent time in the EU between 1980-1996 is ineligible to donate blood, due to the potential of transmission through blood transfusions.

    Thus far, CWD has only infected cervids, but what's worrisome is how it's transmitted, and how easily a sick animal can contaminate the surrounding area.

    Blood, urine, fecal matter, etc. have all been tested to show evidence of the prions. Because the prions are misfolded proteins, and not bacteria or viruses, they're not actually living organisms, so you can't 'kill' them, and destroying them has proven difficult.

    Soil that has been contaminated with prions, remains contaminated for very long periods. Plants that grow in contaminated soil have been shown to actually suck up the prions along with water and nutrients from the soil. Another cervid eating the contaminated plant can now be infected.

    Ridiculously over cautious or not, I'd rather not worry about what a knife's handle material may absorb/retain, when it's used for field dressing.
     
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  8. Grenock

    Grenock Platinum Member Platinum Member

    825
    Apr 7, 2016
    Bluemax_1, with your concerns being that strong over the spread of CWD and the possibility of contamination in locations or objects and possible infection of your person, have you considered maybe that you don't want to be running a knife inside a deer at all anymore? Not getting on you, and I understand the concern for sure. It's just that if it is on you mind that strongly, it seems the more pressing concern would be whether or not to not find yourself elbow deep in a deer rather than what scales were on the knife?

    Edit: For the record, I am not some anti-hunting pusscake. I would happily be elbow deep in one right next to you.
     
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  9. TRfromMT

    TRfromMT Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 4, 2016
    I had the same thought process as Marc. If the nasty germs are the concern, and it sounds genuinely problematic, is the handle material the real issue??

    Maybe worth moving this out to the chat thread.
     
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  10. Lorien

    Lorien Moderator Moderator

    Dec 5, 2005
    I can't rely on my memory 100%, but I have a feeling that this story might've prompted the DEK1 concept. It was a relatively shocking thing to find out that this handy little knife I designed was used to dispatch a living entity in order to protect another. I vividly remember my visceral reaction when I first read of this canine calamity
     
  11. bluemax_1

    bluemax_1 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jan 17, 2014
    To not derail the thread any further, I posted the reply in the Random thoughts thread.
     
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  12. bubbaskyjacker

    bubbaskyjacker Gold Member Gold Member

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    Feb 24, 2008
    o_O
     
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  13. Nathan the Machinist

    Nathan the Machinist KnifeMaker / Machinist / Evil Genius Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 13, 2007
  14. bubbaskyjacker

    bubbaskyjacker Gold Member Gold Member

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    Feb 24, 2008
    ;)
     
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  15. Lorien

    Lorien Moderator Moderator

    Dec 5, 2005
    the final, (hopefully) DEK1 proof of concept model is now officially on its way to North Carolina. I will be on edge until I get the thumbs up, (hopefully).

    I spent a shit ton of time thinking about all aspects of the handle, and in my opinion, it's the most fully developed and carefully thought out handle I've come up with yet. Even though it's not very big, it feels as natural in my hand as...
     
  16. betzner

    betzner CenCal Coast Platinum Member

    Jan 23, 2007
    a peanut butter and jelly sandwich?:D
     
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  17. Lorien

    Lorien Moderator Moderator

    Dec 5, 2005
    uh, sure Bob. I was going for something slightly more ergonomic, but if pb&j sammiches are what feel good to you, then the metaphor is fine by me
    :D
     
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  18. fkctrjt121

    fkctrjt121 Gold Member Gold Member

    351
    Sep 29, 2017
    Can't wait for this knife!! Looking forward to seeing this handle
     
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  19. khukoo head

    khukoo head Gold Member Gold Member

    667
    Nov 10, 2015
    Don’t feel bad about the size of your handle. I’m told it matters more how you use it, though I’ve personally never had that be an issue.
     
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  20. bubbaskyjacker

    bubbaskyjacker Gold Member Gold Member

    421
    Feb 24, 2008
    Thank you cheese and rice !
     
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