DEK1

Discussion in 'Carothers Performance Knives' started by Lorien, Sep 20, 2017.

  1. AR-Trvlr

    AR-Trvlr Gold Member Gold Member

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    Oct 3, 2009
    I don't understand the point. What makes an axe work so well is the concentrated weight. Why use a material that is used for it's light weight? So you have to use more of it to accomplish the same goals?
     
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  2. Odog27

    Odog27 Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 20, 2011
    check out Sam’s videos of his axes. They seem to cut pretty good and look really fun.

     
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  3. TRfromMT

    TRfromMT Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jan 4, 2016
    Because of the square term...

    Ek = ½mv2

    And because Mecha and Ti is badass
     
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  4. gk4ever2

    gk4ever2 Gold Member Gold Member

    May 1, 2008
    Maybe the intended use is relatively light chopping when hiking for several days (so the light weight would help as far as hiking is concerned)? I'm not sure that titanium holds an edge for very long either, but maybe it's good enough for limited use.
     
  5. jlauffer

    jlauffer Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 11, 2016
    It can hold an edge, at least Mecha's can (he uses certain Ti alloys). Dude competed on Knife or Death with Ti and did great.
     
  6. gk4ever2

    gk4ever2 Gold Member Gold Member

    May 1, 2008
    Cool; thanks! :)
     
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  7. Lorien

    Lorien KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 5, 2005
    have you used a titanium blade before?
     
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  8. abbydaddy

    abbydaddy Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 14, 2014
    I have not used a Ti blade, but the thing that pops into my head (and I am just talking through my hat here, I have no idea if I am even close) is the idea that with a Ti axe head you could get a longer handle since the leverage wouldn't be as much of a hassle, so you could get better edge speed. Also, you could get a broader edge which would allow a greater margin of error. I imagine that a double bit axe in Ti would be mighty nice handling.

    But again, this is all based on wild conjecture on my part. I've swung my share of axes, but I've never really analyzed them.
     
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  9. TRfromMT

    TRfromMT Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jan 4, 2016
    Shaving off weight in a pack axe... This may be of interest as well.

    So not that you got us all spun up @Lorien, can you say any more? (that may not help, though)
     
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  10. Nathan the Machinist

    Nathan the Machinist KnifeMaker / Machinist / Evil Genius Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 13, 2007
    Titanium is about half the weight of steel and about half the stiffness. The stiffness of a beam is a function of the modulus of elasticity of the material and the geometry of the beam. The increase in rigidity to thickness is nonlinear, it increases to the third power of the thickness, so when you double the thickness it is eight times stiffer. This allows a more flexible material to be stiffer in some applications if it is light enough due to the increase in sectional modulus.

    In my opinion, this makes titanium a very compelling material for a sword. Many swords have thin flimsy blades so they don't get too tip heavy. Titanium can allow a more substantial blade without the weight penalty of steel and despite being more flexible can make a stiffer sword due to the increase in thickness. Since swords are usually not run particularly hard, and people like Sam have been developing heat treats with certain titanium alloys that do hold an edge pretty well, I think a titanium sword is a futuristic material well suited for the application.

    I don't know enough about axes to render a opinion on the use of titanium in an ax head. It does seem like the rigidity issue is moot.
     
  11. TRfromMT

    TRfromMT Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jan 4, 2016
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    I've been making a small contribution to the world's supply of sawdust today.
     
  12. RayseM

    RayseM Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 18, 2010
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  13. Nystagmus

    Nystagmus Gold Member Gold Member

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    Sep 22, 2016
    Out and about with kids. I tend to use my FK2 more, but carry my DEK more when out for the day.
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  14. mendezj

    mendezj Basic Member Basic Member

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    Nov 24, 1998
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  15. TRfromMT

    TRfromMT Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jan 4, 2016
    Only rough sanded this piece of ironwood was speaking to me. I think these ones could be special.

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  16. jlauffer

    jlauffer Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 11, 2016
    That's friggin gorgeous!:thumbsup:
     
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  17. TRfromMT

    TRfromMT Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jan 4, 2016
    thanks @jlauffer Those are just sorta sanded at 220 grit and I washed them in water to see what was going on. I don't have the fastener countersinks or finish sanding yet, but my actual reaction was, "Wow!"

    Ironwood shows up in a big way once in awhile.

    OK back to you guys using your knives for, you know,... knife stuff.
     
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  18. jlauffer

    jlauffer Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 11, 2016
    That was my reaction too!
     
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  19. JJ_Colt45

    JJ_Colt45 Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 11, 2014
    They are turning out to be something special .. beautiful work!
     
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  20. Big DJ

    Big DJ Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 29, 2013
    Holy cow Tony those are going to be incredible. I've emailed you.
     
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