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Dream Shop Build Thread

Discussion in 'Shop Talk - BladeSmith Questions and Answers' started by Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith, Jun 19, 2019.

  1. Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith

    Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith ilmarinen - MODERATOR Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Aug 20, 2004
    I have hesitated to post this thread because there always seemed to be something that delayed the shop build … for the last ten or so years. This shop has been my dream for a long time. In it I will get going on my knife kits for beginners, books and videos, and some long set aside big projects. I also have a big metallurgy study to get going.

    Well, this morning I signed the contract for the construction. I have spent over 5 months with the city on getting the lots approved. I had to merge the back one acre lot with the front lot that has the house and current smithy. They wouldn't let me build an accessory building on a lot without a primary building on it. Now that it is all one lot, I am allowed to proceed. The builder estimates starting in 30 days and completion 30 days after that.

    The shop is 40X20 Cape Cod style with upstairs storage. Raised slab with block foundation, stick frame, vinyl siding, architectural roofing.

    Inside it will be all high tech and packed with equipment. 20X12 clean shop and 20X24 hot shop, plus stairwell. 10X10 grinding booth in the hot shop. Power within 3 feet of any place you stand along the benches, as well as overhead power outlets down the center beam. Lighting to rival a Broadway stage.

    I'll use this thread to post updates and photos as the build goes.
     
  2. Bill DeShivs

    Bill DeShivs KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jun 6, 2000
    This should be very interesting.
    We are planning on moving in the next year or so. Unless we find a place in the country that already has a shop, I'll be building one, too.
     
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  3. navman

    navman Gold Member Gold Member

    617
    Mar 4, 2013
    If (when) I move back to VB/Norfolk Area, can I come visit?
     
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  4. Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith

    Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith ilmarinen - MODERATOR Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Aug 20, 2004
    I plan on having an open house when the basic build done, and after it is fully configured next year, host a full hammer-in. People will always be welcome to come by when I am home, too. Eventually, I may take on students.

    Bill, you will love the clean shop. It will be a jeweler's and hand-worker's dream shop. Jewelry bench, engraving bench, carving bench, craft/drafting table, desk and computer, etc.
    It will also display many of my antique tools and gargets … and the best of my extensive phone collection ( I have over 80) … including an antique phone booth.
    The hot shop will have stainless steel countertops ( except in the sink area where the countertop will be copper).

    Rolling carts will hold a lot of equipment that I don't use every day. The carts will be able to latch to the end of a workbench for stability, and unlatch to be set aside out of the way with the other carts. Tooling and supplies for those tools will store on the cart's lower shelves. HT equipment and quench cart will also be mobile. Same goes for the twin salt pots.

    I lucked upon a great estate sale the other day and bought enough steel cabinets to go all the way down the hot shop wall. They are brand new looking heavy gauge steel and have the lift and hide type doors. Inside shelving, and under cabinet light units came with each unit. The whole system hangs on a heavy wall rail-bracket so the cabinets can be installed easily. I paid $400 for the whole shebang.
     
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  5. Busto

    Busto KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jul 26, 2011
    The one feature I am glad I opted to add to my shop was a "Shower" in the bathroom. The separate bathroom was a given no racing to the house.....The shower was a maybe in the beginning, but now at the end of a long hot summer days work I can leave all that hot sweat and grime in the shop not in the house.
     
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  6. Storm W

    Storm W

    184
    Feb 19, 2019
    Congrats. The shop itself is really our biggest tool and one that we often just make do with. After all your hard work you deserve it. Can't wait to see the progress.
     
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  7. Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith

    Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith ilmarinen - MODERATOR Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Aug 20, 2004
    I wish I had the space and the permission to build a bathroom and plumbing, but code does not allow it. If there is water and a toilet, it is a habitable building .... and the cost would increase by $50K or more. I plan on having a wash down shower head outside in case of acid splash, burns, or catching myself on fire. In the chemical business, we had these everywhere. I can connect it to the well pump.

    A camper type chemical toilet will be upstairs for emergencies and when it is raining or freezing cold outside. I can always pee in the dunk tank :D
     
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  8. Drew Riley

    Drew Riley

    Oct 17, 2007
    How about heated floors? That's what I'd want in my dream shop. :cool:
     
  9. Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith

    Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith ilmarinen - MODERATOR Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Aug 20, 2004
    According to the builder, the shop's floors will be heated in the summer and cooled in the winter. That comes free with the build.

    The clean room will have heat and AC. The hot shop will have solar heating and cooling that I have designed. it should heat it well in the winter,and cool it some in the summer.
     
  10. Justin Schmidt

    Justin Schmidt Schmidt Forge Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 18, 2016
    Very excited about this. Congrats stacy
     
  11. Nathan the Machinist

    Nathan the Machinist KnifeMaker / Machinist / Evil Genius Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 13, 2007
    If possible you might consider putting in a roll up door large enough to drive a forklift (or boat on trailer) through. That's at least 8' and preferably 9-10'. People often overlook this. Even if you never use it, it makes a shop easier to sell down the road.
     
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  12. Lieblad

    Lieblad

    Jul 24, 2015
    To dodge building codes and save a ton of money, behind my shop I put up 8X8' plastic greenhouse kit. One of those things made of PVC pipe hoops skinned with translucent corrugated plastic sheets.
    Its partitioned to contain a composting toilet, shower & dressing area. Shower is heated with EccoTemp L5 propane heater (whats the best thing ever for portable hotwater..) It just drains into the soil.
    The toilet chamber is force air vented to the sky with basically a computer fan.
    Unless you stick your head in it, or at the top of 14’ pvc vent pipe you smell nothing.
    Basically its full after about a year then its mostly dried out contents is dumped into the annual burn pile with all the yard trimmings.
     
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2019
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  13. Willie71

    Willie71 Warren J. Krywko. Part Time Knifemaker Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 23, 2013
    I have one wall framed in for this under the drywall. I wish we just put the door in from the get go.
     
  14. argel55

    argel55

    Oct 30, 2005
    Are you setting up an exhaust system in the grind room? What type? Air conditioning available?
     
  15. Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith

    Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith ilmarinen - MODERATOR Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Aug 20, 2004
    The end of the shop facing the street has a 7X8 foot garage door.

    The grinding room has its own exhaust and fresh air system, as well as separate dust collection. The wall between it and the the main shop is half glassed so people can see in and I can see out. The entry side is welding curtains. All welding and grinding will be in the grinding room.

    Over the forging area there will be a hood system to take exhaust gasses and hot air upstairs and then out of the shop through a large powered vent.

    To make it a knife shop, the end where I go in and out will have a six foot neon sign that says "KNIVES".
     
  16. A.McPherson

    A.McPherson KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jan 27, 2012
    Surely you mean “Knifes”! <eg>
     
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  17. Bill DeShivs

    Bill DeShivs KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jun 6, 2000
    Stacy- one of the best things I did when I built my current shop is to put in a sink. The sink drains on the ground under the shop.
    The sink is "plumbed" from the house with a garden hose. It works 75% of the year. When it's below freezing the water is turned off, and a camping water container with on/off spout is positioned over the edge of the sink for hand washing. No permit required.
     
  18. Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith

    Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith ilmarinen - MODERATOR Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Aug 20, 2004
    A nice sink area is in this shop too. It will run from the well pump to start with and later on will likely run from a city water line from the house. Like yours, it will just drain outside in a French drain.

    The area around the sink and backsplash will be a copper workbench top that was used by a watchmaker in the early 1900's. His family gave it to me, and I have been keeping it for this project because it would be a shame to just cut it up for craft projects.
     
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  19. jdm61

    jdm61 itinerant metal pounder Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Aug 12, 2005
    Sounds badass!!!! So what made you decide to go with stick built instead of a steel building? I may be facing that very question in the next year or so and in my area, steel on slab seems to be the way to go. You may have tougher code requirements as the only issue that I have seen with building shop is that the electrical outlets had to be high up if you were in a flood zine like my back yard is. That would not have been a big problem as they wearer all gong to be above the bench height.
     
  20. J. Keeton

    J. Keeton Basic Member Basic Member

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    Nov 15, 2005
    @Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith your knowledge sharing has helped me a ton on these forums! Very happy for you. Can't wait to see the pictures! I'm sure your arrangement logic will teach me even more! This thread will be epic.
     

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