1. BladeForums has ZERO TOLERANCE for extremism or calls of violence. We request your assistance dealing with this as we do not want to see the site shut down due to violent threats. Please see this thread here in Tech Support: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/bladeforums-has-a-zero-tolerance-policy-towards-threats-of-violence-extremism-be-warned.1769537/

Eyyyyyy--I designed this axe!

Discussion in 'Axe, Tomahawk, & Hatchet Forum' started by FortyTwoBlades, Nov 12, 2020.

  1. herisson

    herisson Apple slicing rocking chair dweller Platinum Member

    Mar 11, 2013
    OK, cool. I was in no way attacking you. I'm a strictly "'one axe" guy (on the move), and that's why I'm interested in double bit axes or the composite bit of FortyTwoBlades' design. I only hate on agressive, dismissive comments like your champ made.
     
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2020
    walkbyfaith777 likes this.
  2. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jul 3, 2019
    Maybe @Spear will post his pride and joy one day and we can exalt his creation, too. I’ll support anyone who has a invested time and energy in the earnest betterment of axe technology, either through innovation or quality.

    @FortyTwoBlades just happens to be the man of the hour, so three cheers for Benjamin. Keep it up, and don’t rest on these laurels!
     
    thebrain, A17, FortyTwoBlades and 2 others like this.
  3. Ernest DuBois

    Ernest DuBois

    Mar 2, 2013
    Yes, I told you that and you compound the difficulty by confusing sledge hammers with splitting mauls but believe me, I understand how this is myself.
    Misjudging the tone or the expectation of a particular tone does not move me - speaking of relevance - my question is where is the substance in the critique till now?
     
  4. LEGION 12

    LEGION 12 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 8, 2009
    Perhaps all the arguing should be done elsewhere .
     
    91bravo, Lee D, E.D.C. and 3 others like this.
  5. herisson

    herisson Apple slicing rocking chair dweller Platinum Member

    Mar 11, 2013
    As far as the critique on FortyTwoBlades' creation goes... there is no relevance. Spear has spoken out loudly (out of his own, limited experience, which I can respect but it's still an IMO) but the item is out there for sale and I have one coming my way. I have enough wood to hack down to make up my mind. I will surely let you alls know how that tool performed.
     
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2020
    l1ranger, palonej, greatscoot and 3 others like this.
  6. FortyTwoBlades

    FortyTwoBlades Baryonyx walkeri Dealer / Materials Provider

    Mar 8, 2008
    There are a few reasons for the 3lb head weight--first of all, we have a million light axe options already. The market doesn't really need more ways to trap that particular mouse compared to something a little chonkier. I keep my splitting mauls fully thinned out and polished and I have a Rinaldi 5.5lb splitting maul on a little 24" handle that I use for splitting kindling in the basement and so on, and I've taken it out for field splitting of rails from logs on several occasions, during which I experimented with chopping with it and it did remarkably well. While I love lighter axes, it's nice having a bit of heft in many circumstances, as well, and having that much mass in the head allows for more effective use in all contexts while still being lighter than a standard full-size axe by a full half pound. I find it handy in rough shaping work during crafting because you can let the weight do the work, and so use a lighter grip for better control, as well.

    The bit is 4.11" in a straight line from heel to toe.

    As far as sharpening back into it, other than the overall geometry thickening the further you wear back into it, like with any axe, the hollows are designed so that you'll never wear into a reduced section--imagine you have a pyramid shape and then you squash two opposing corners closer to each other, flattening the form. That's essentially what's going on with the bevels, so they still in a wedge-shaped arrangement.

    upload_2020-11-13_11-25-54.png
     
  7. herisson

    herisson Apple slicing rocking chair dweller Platinum Member

    Mar 11, 2013
    I appreciate the depth of thought you put into your designs. I'm currently fooling around with some Japanese axes and I'm just amazed at the subtleties involved.
     
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2020
  8. FortyTwoBlades

    FortyTwoBlades Baryonyx walkeri Dealer / Materials Provider

    Mar 8, 2008
    To be clear, criticisms are entirely welcome so long as they come from a place of understanding and intellectual honesty. But I can say with confidence that I hit the intended mark with this design. It was very gratifying when the pre-production sample landed and it was exactly as I'd envisioned it in my head. It's not for everyone, and that's okay--if we wanted plain vanilla generalist axes we'd all be using hardware store Michigans. :D

    The 22" handle length was something specified by the folks at WOOX as part of their brief for what they were looking for, and while I do love it as-is I'll keep pushing them to consider adding a 28" handle as well. The design was originally envisioned as being on a 32" years ago when I first started sketching it, but I've come to find an appreciation for hefty heads on shorter handles that I wouldn't have expected until I started trying to tackle crafting work outside of my workshop. Handles that are too long get in the way when choking up on them and can cause clearance issues. Hence why I also want them to come out with a li'l 16".
     
  9. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jul 3, 2019
    Sir, I tip my hat to you. Well designed. Very well done.

    I'm going to start saving my dollars now (er... well... after my NEXT Baryonyx purchase... ;))- those drawings are honestly a little more revealing than the pictures. That looks phenominal.

    Anyone have issues accidently clipping the proud tops of a haft when splitting wood?
     
    oldmanwilly, A17 and FortyTwoBlades like this.
  10. herisson

    herisson Apple slicing rocking chair dweller Platinum Member

    Mar 11, 2013
    Ha, Ha !!! And that's why I like you ! The axes, machetes, knives, sharp stuff and all that, too. Of course.
     
    FortyTwoBlades likes this.
  11. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jul 3, 2019
    at 28" we're really talking. it's like a boys axe on steroids. I already get a lot accomplished with a 3 lb 10 oz on a 28" haft. Long enough for a comfortable swing, short enough for the best accuracy I've had in an axe.

    how about reprofiling? you're a persnickety guy like the rest of us- did you do any work on the bit geometry?
     
    FortyTwoBlades likes this.
  12. cityofthesouth

    cityofthesouth

    Jan 29, 2014
    One thing forums of all kinds have done with unparalleled success is demonstrate how passionate people can get about things that don't really matter in the larger scheme of life, and axes fall deeply into that category (knives too, I know, tears). Criticism is certainly useful, especially if you want to successfully create and market a product, but we haven't seen that in this thread. Some clown on the internet who has never touched the axe in question, didn't bother to read the sales pitch, openly admits that his goal on the forum is to shill another product that might exist one day, but otherwise contributes nothing, then denigrates this axe while simultaneously demanding design justification from the creator? You can't get more entitled than that. If you can't articulate your criticisms, you're just bitching and no one owes you an explanation for anything.


    The axe looks awesome, and if someone has a compelling argument regarding why it couldn't perform awesomely without having ever touched it, go ahead and speak up, just don't forget the compelling argument part.
     
  13. FortyTwoBlades

    FortyTwoBlades Baryonyx walkeri Dealer / Materials Provider

    Mar 8, 2008
    I've not had any trouble with it personally. In future production runs they'll be chamfering the top of the handle to help toughen it up a little bit when impacts do occur, though. I guess they'd already made a bunch of handles by the time I got my hands on the pre-production sample and made the suggestion. It's not a huge issue or anything, but I'm about doing things as well as possible rather than simply "good enough" when it comes to the design phase of things. It's the foundation of everything else, after all! But I can tell you from my time using Italian axes I've never scuffed the top of the handle in splitting work.

    There was zero need for me to do any reprofiling work to the sample--it was dialed right in already, and all I had to to was take a minor nick out of the toe that had occurred in shipping. The geometry was spot-on.
     
  14. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jul 3, 2019
    Pardon all the questions- but I'm here at work on a slow day and I've got nothing better to do than get excited over this axe. Was 1060 the steel you had to work with, or did you choose it based on price/availability/metal characteristics?

    I know how it can be sometimes when you're designing something; you take your beloved design back to the boss and you say "here, sir- this will do everything you want, and more!"... and then inevitably you get some red ink on the drawing that nixes your favorite features in lieu of cost savings.

    edit: also, will these be sold through Baryonyx, as well?
     
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2020
    FortyTwoBlades likes this.
  15. crbnSteeladdict

    crbnSteeladdict

    Jul 31, 2017
    Can you share what is the Rockwell hardness of the bit and poll?
     
    FortyTwoBlades and EngrSorenson like this.
  16. FortyTwoBlades

    FortyTwoBlades Baryonyx walkeri Dealer / Materials Provider

    Mar 8, 2008
    I had initially hoped to convince Woox to partner with Rinaldi for the heads, but the minimum order quantity wasn't feasible vs. Prandi, and Prandi does fine work, too. Rinaldi is just magic with their steel/heat treatment. Barring their proprietary modified spring steel, 1060 is a fine choice. Gransfors uses an equivalent of 1055, and 1060 is a slight step up. If given free choice of common low-alloy carbon steels, 1060 is what I'd opt for.

    I'll carry them in my shop once they're available through my usual distribution network, but for the moment they're just at Woox.

    57 RC :)
     
  17. unwisefool

    unwisefool Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    I don't know of this question is allowed, but is it better for you if we buy them through wood or through your shop? If I can't ask that let me know and I'll change this to a picture of my cat. Or my dog. Or, if you guys are good, a picture of both.
     
    EngrSorenson likes this.
  18. FortyTwoBlades

    FortyTwoBlades Baryonyx walkeri Dealer / Materials Provider

    Mar 8, 2008
    I technically make more on ones that I'd sell personally, BUT it's of greater importance to me that Woox sees a strong launch with it so they'll continue to partner with me on designs, so I'd say don't wait for my sake. :)
     
    Glenn Bailey, Lee D, Fixall and 2 others like this.
  19. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jul 3, 2019
    How does a partnership like this come up? I notice they have a hatchet... which though it looks fine, it doesn't really have that same chutzpah. Minus some features, it's kinda like everything else. One thing your axe has going for it is no one could mistake it for anything else. If Batman had an axe on his tool belt, that might be what it looks like.

    I keep thinking of Batman, but really the thing looks like it's medieval. Almost like you put a small blade on a sledge hammer.

    Does the handle have some kind of lacquer finish?

    The more I look at it, the more I love it... and I'm looking at it... a lot. haha
     
  20. skyhorse

    skyhorse Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 30, 2010
    That spine between the hollows seems like it would help splitting somewhat similar to a wedge ?
     
    FortyTwoBlades and EngrSorenson like this.

Share This Page