ome108, As moderator, I will address that real problem here. You seem to be a babbling fool at times. Your constant requests for information about things that basically don't matter, refusal to listen to any advice, and the fact that you don't seem to be actually making anything.....just talking about this and that......seems to imply that you are not serious, or are a troll. You have made 155 posts over five months, all with questions that rambled from rail road track, to 4140, to H13, S7, Atlas forges, belt grinders, disc grinders, a basement shop, building a shed shop, power hammers, Chinese anvils, Nathan's specialty tools, buffers, bubble jigs,......... and more. You have a basement filled with lathes and mills and metal working tools, but ask questions that would make one think you never saw a piece of metal before. Your budget is $4000 for a grinder and $2000 for an anvil. You have ordered grinders, tools, forges, big chunks of steel, specialty tools, etc. Despite the fact that you claim to be an experienced metal worker, you don't seem to be able to smooth the end of a piece of rail track, make an edge on a piece of round stock, or complete any metal projects. The real problem is that in all this time you have not talked about making knives. You did claim that in your past incarnations you had learned all you need to know about knifemaking, so maybe that is why (although many of your earlier posts started with ..."I am new to knifemaking."). If you are serious about making knives, make some and stop babbling. Show us some plans, progress, finished knives, whatever. If you are just talking to hear yourself talk...go do it elsewhere. Ask anyone on this forum and they will tell you that I don't make posts like the above unless I see a real problem.