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Discussion in 'FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!' started by Kcorange11, Jun 22, 2019.

  1. jp9mm

    jp9mm Basic Member Basic Member

    152
    Apr 1, 2019
    Fake, not a fake, Will take 85 to get rid of but FF only, Will not sell it, only donate for a tip.
    This is all over the place o_O
     
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  2. Kcorange11

    Kcorange11 Gold Member Gold Member

    144
    Feb 4, 2019
    I agree but this (axis cut out) is something that wouldn't change. Programming in there cncs would need to change.
     
  3. rdtshaw

    rdtshaw Gold Member Gold Member

    616
    Jul 23, 2017
    I was just referring to not outing the seller until the questions got answered.
     
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  4. Kcorange11

    Kcorange11 Gold Member Gold Member

    144
    Feb 4, 2019
    Hey as I said, you want the knife pm me. You can tip me, I will ship. My loss your gain. Otherwise anecdotal evidence can be posted elsewhere.
     
  5. Kcorange11

    Kcorange11 Gold Member Gold Member

    144
    Feb 4, 2019
    I just sent an email to Benchmade.. so hopefully they get back to me within a few days.

    Edit: after doing it I realized this was prob the first step. This is why I started this thread, for advice. Not to have my character or intelligence questioned.
     
    Last edited: Jun 23, 2019
  6. Ulf Krogstad

    Ulf Krogstad Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 19, 2013
    Wouldn't be 100% sure on that, but that's what one would assume. I've only recently been seeing 943 and 810s being cloned to near precision. Which is a shame cause probably won't buy either used anymore. Understand the paranoia. I'm at the point where sont buy any knife models used that are cloned to precision cause your just driving yourself crazy wondering if it's real or not. Honestly tho, someone gifted me a fake crk 25 that bought for $350, and i couldnt even tell was fake til was told by mod in crk forum, and honestly, it's just as good if not better than real crks have had. Which is laughable. Mixed up about that.

    Can't 100% tell you it's not a clone, but id say real. Maybe BM can't even tell the difference themselves anymore. Clones have really fucked up my enthusiasm in buying made in usa. Everything just seems to be going downhill. Whatever.

    I don't know what to tell ya. Would only really trust Benchmade to be authority in authenticity and maybe they can't even tell themselves anymore.

    Best of luck to you. If anything got a decent clone.
     
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  7. Boru13

    Boru13 Super Moderator Staff Member Super Mod Moderator Pirate

    849
    Apr 25, 2000
    Enough... you want to sell it, list it in the Exchange where sales belong. You might want to cancel the PayPal claim first.
    Quoted from the same thread you posted in.
     
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  8. Kcorange11

    Kcorange11 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Feb 4, 2019
    Thank you for your response. I didn't know the Benchmade forums existed until this. On there they are saying that this cut out may be correct. I guess I need to eat my words. Will likely send to Benchmade to confirm. Something still seems off with the seller. I have opened up convo back with him. Yeah..idk.
     
  9. mrfields

    mrfields

    127
    Jun 30, 2017
    benchmade did change the way they anchor the omega springs in the liner a few years back, not sure of the exact time frame. went from being a separate hole in the liners to a slot cut out in the axis track in the liners (i’m probably not describing it very well).

    i believe the info came from jason in benchmades own forum but it could have been from jimmy in the sub-forum here.
     
  10. Ulf Krogstad

    Ulf Krogstad Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 19, 2013
    Pretty sure even this w33k somebody thought they had a clone 94x going by the såme video you posted, and Benchmade said it was the real deal on the BM forum here. But i too have seen the new vlones on ebay of these and 810s and who knows what else and just discouraged. Mostly benchmade clones.looked nothing like genuine so was company felt didnt have to worry about with many models as far as clones. Cept balis, and bm otfs, way to many clones. I'm just very sick of this clone shit, everybody has to question everything they buy, understandably, wish 5here was an easy way to stop them, but.
     
  11. Kcorange11

    Kcorange11 Gold Member Gold Member

    144
    Feb 4, 2019
    Yeah I admit that the cutout part isn't factual. I did end up finding benchmades actual forum. I took apart the knife and found a few interesting things. Very fine details in the knife and packaging.

    While there I learned that giving specific real vs repop info publicly is highly frowned upon.

    So the knife is being shipped to Benchmade. Been messaging a very cool member there all day. I'm no expert but I still have my doubts.
     
  12. slyraven

    slyraven

    237
    Feb 19, 2019
    This could have went a lot smoother if you were a little more clear in your opening post. To me, you made it sound very much like the guy admitted to sending a clone.
     
  13. Kcorange11

    Kcorange11 Gold Member Gold Member

    144
    Feb 4, 2019
    He kind of did in my opinion. Not to mention a week has went by and he hasn't contacted PayPal... So yeah. Only way I would just ignore this is if I was wrong.

    I will say that it is very hard to tell without taking the knife apart. I didn't want to, obviously but felt I needed to. I was misinformed on the axis lock cutout/track. After discussing the differences on benchmades forum with a couple members it was decided that there's too many of these qc problems that add up, and/or there was some aftermarket touches to parts of the knife. And that's just the knife, not the box, bag, axis card and care sheet.

    I sent an email to Benchmade about sending. It to confirm its authenticity and haven't heard back. Really don't even want to spend the money to ship it. I'm not an expert but am certain that if not everything is from a clone, most of it is fake, handles, bag, axis lock and others. At best it's a "franken" 943 with fake parts but I think it's just all fake. Can really only "confirm" through others on certain things. Some stuff can be chaulked up as qc.

    Really sucks that China is producing a knife that as good as Benchmade at a fraction of the price. I can't believe benchmade literally copied their design for the axis lock as well. Makes you think.
     
  14. DrRollinstein

    DrRollinstein Gold Member Gold Member

    892
    Feb 20, 2018
    I mean it really doesnt sound like it's a fake. Not sure why you're so convinced it is. Just send it in.
     
  15. Kcorange11

    Kcorange11 Gold Member Gold Member

    144
    Feb 4, 2019
    Ummm ok? I'm not going to lay out the reasons I think it's fake for the same reasons Benchmade doesn't. I don't want to help the cloners. If you want to pm me I will give you the cliff notes. The only thing I will say publicly is that the handle finish, I assume it's some sort of powder coat? Well on the outside part of the scales, it's pretty indistinguishable between my 940 and the 43. Ya know because they are used. On the inside... It's a different story. 43 is very "spotty'' and smooth, no chaulkiness. Spotting I'm referring to is glossy, and it's prob 85% covered in these glossy spots. Nothing like this on the 940. So with light pressure on my index finger running down the green finish it stops. A lot of friction. Completely different between the two.

    I shouldve taken the knife apart that first day. Again, I dont want to spend any money on it. If my PayPal claim is denied, will def get sent to Benchmade. But seller isn't even responding to the claim.

    I did contact him during that 4 hour window I thought it was legit. Told him if he could come up with any evidence of where he got it I would drop the claim bc someone offered me money with the possibility of being a clone.

    No response yet..
     
  16. LastRodeo

    LastRodeo Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Nov 2, 2013
    I will pay the postage for you to send it to Benchmade. Let me know what it costs and your PayPal.
     
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  17. Kcorange11

    Kcorange11 Gold Member Gold Member

    144
    Feb 4, 2019
    Edit : delete
     
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2019
  18. mrfields

    mrfields

    127
    Jun 30, 2017
    so you haven’t sent it to benchmade yet so they can check it’s authenticity?
     
  19. LastRodeo

    LastRodeo Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Nov 2, 2013
    I did read your response before you deleted it.

    The right thing to do is send it to Benchmade. If they say it is legit, drop your PayPal claim. If they say it is a fake, it should be destroyed.

    There is no moral ambiguity, keeping the knife and the money is not an option.
     
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  20. mrfields

    mrfields

    127
    Jun 30, 2017
    everyone on here seems to think it’s real. no one has responded on the benchmade fakes thread, probably because they already have here and you’re not listening so there’s no point. and everyone on benchmade’s own forum has told you that it looks real too. barring all that about the only way to be sure is to send it in and have benchmade check it out, which you said you were gonna do a week ago. instead you’ve decided to keep and use it. sounds like you figured out a way to get yourself a free knife. nice
     

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