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how to mantain a blade made from budget steel?

Discussion in 'Maintenance, Tinkering & Embellishment' started by FireDragon76, Jan 30, 2020.

  1. lonestar1979

    lonestar1979

    Mar 2, 2014
    Krup 4116 from cold steel is also very good steel,used on their Chinese made blades,pretty good edge holding,easy to sharpen and stain resistant.Sanrenmu and some other manufacturers use it in some model,very good edc steel.Kudu by CS is copy of Okapi knife,too,better copy actually and most knife designers steal or borrow from one another at some point,so its pretty normal.then again this design dates back long time.Budget steel with good HT is suficcient for edc or whatever task.
     
  2. Bearbreeder

    Bearbreeder

    437
    Jan 9, 2018
    Dont be a steel snob

    If you dont like ganzo thats up to you

    But their d2 especially has been tested in both cut tests and hrc indepedantly

    Maybe you should use the knives instead of pontificating on stuff you havent used
     
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  3. lonestar1979

    lonestar1979

    Mar 2, 2014
    Most pple dont use their knives at all and do not sharpen them or just use them to cut paper or give them few swipes on sharpmaker or strop without actually apexing the knife,scared theyll scratch it.When you actually start using the knife then you see a lot of flaws in performance,design etc.Most knives are marketed for pple that do not actually use knives,period.Thick ,useless grinds,hyped up steels without optimal heat treat and some other stuff.
     
  4. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    It's actually not up to me and it has nothing to do with snobbery.

    If someone needs a reasonable affordable knife there are many choices without pushing clone garbage.

    As for stuff like bubble pack no name brand knives from Walmart they don't meet the bar. You might as well go to a nice diner, order a steak, keep the knife and make a sheath out of cardboard. You'll have had dinner and you'll have a knife on par with those.
     
  5. Bearbreeder

    Bearbreeder

    437
    Jan 9, 2018
    You can dislike ganzos all you want

    But dont say you cant get em sharp and that they dont stay sharp, especially as you have never used one

    And as everyone else here who actually has says they work fine

    Thats all there is to it
     
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  6. Bill DeShivs

    Bill DeShivs KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jun 6, 2000
    Ganzo isn't making clones, TMK.
     
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  7. Mr.Wizard

    Mr.Wizard

    608
    Feb 28, 2015
    How are we defining clone? Ganzo doesn't make forgeries (with false branding) but in the past they have made copies of Benchmade knives, usually in a slightly different size. However their newer Firebird knives appear to be original, only inspired by other designs as all knives are.

    Incidentally I can understand being upset about the former but does that mean the company is forever blacklisted, even if they move away from that?
     
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  8. Craig James

    Craig James

    72
    Oct 30, 2018
    Copies of products and ideas have been with us since the dawn of the industrial revolution. If you can make a similar product of the same quality at a cheaper price then you have the advantage and gain market share.

    This actually drives innovation as when you reach the natural equilibrium the only way to enter the market is to make a step change in technology.

    you accept that different manufacturers make essentially the same product when it comes to something like diamond plates, honing oil etc. Why should this be different for knives?

    examples of innovation that are easily recognisable could be the vacuum cleaner, pioneered by hoover and copied by everyone else until Dyson came along and developed a completely new concept. Of course that technology is now being copied and improved by everyone else.

    as per the above post I am not referring to forgeries here...
     
  9. lonestar1979

    lonestar1979

    Mar 2, 2014
    Chinese steels with proper ht can be very good,and their quality overall has gotten better and better over the years.The ones i have all take killer edge and have pretty good heat treat,for bargain price.
     
  10. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    Ganzo made their bones stealing IP from solid American companies like Benchmade and Spyderco and selling clone and copy knives on Ebay and other sites.

    You are allowed to have the opinion that they're gonna turn their lives around this weekend and be honest. You can even believe that that they may have stolen from other knife companies but they'd never rip off or deceive their loyal customers. They only rip off the other guys; never you.

    But if you do happen to swallow that then I have got a real investment opportunity for you. Couple big name brand bridges for sale; lotta tourist traffic; lotta potential.
     
  11. Bearbreeder

    Bearbreeder

    437
    Jan 9, 2018
    Oh dear are you pontificating again?

    Maybe you should go out and try those knives before claiming they wont get sharp or stay sharp

    Dislike ganzo all you want but dont say they wont get sharp

    If you cant get them sharp its your skills that are the issue

    As for "copying" i lost count at how many srk, sebenza, buck inspired copies there are or were from companies out there

    And no it wasnt ganzo
     
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  12. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    Ganzo, they passing the stealing onto you as savings!

    Every few months a new user like you pops into a Ganzo thread out of nowhere to White Knight them.

    You're allowed to decree you as the Pope of Ganzo have absolved them and in your opinion you like them. You're allowed your own opinion but you're not allowed your own facts. Fact is that Ganzo isn't trustworthy from the top down. Every piece of junk they can put out could have a fan on YouTube preaching how great it is but we know the truth here.
     
  13. Bearbreeder

    Bearbreeder

    437
    Jan 9, 2018
    Oh dear

    Saying you are wrong because you claim that you cant get and keep a ganzo sharp is being a .... White knight???

    I think ganzo lives in yr head a bit there ...

    Maybe you should actually try sharpening and using one before pontificating over and over again about how everything is their fault

    The rest of us here who have actually used one know better

    If you dont like a chinese ak47 because it copies the russian version, fine, but dont say they arent an effective reliable weapon, as many americans in vietnam found out

    Same with ganzos
     
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  14. lonestar1979

    lonestar1979

    Mar 2, 2014
    That Ganzo "junk"performs better than most budget knives and is one third the price,lol.
     
  15. soc_monki

    soc_monki

    553
    Apr 5, 2019
    From what I've seen, Ganzo does make an inexpensive, good quality knife. My problem with them is they stole designs. China has a different view on things like that, even Sal Glesser said he had many of the workers thank him for coming up with great designs that they can make money from to feed their families. I still won't touch a clone, still won't touch a ganzo. No matter how good or how sharp I could get it.

    Just my opinion. I'll stick with manufacturers who I know make excellent knives and have excellent warranties where I know I can get service if I need to.
     
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  16. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    You keep talking about me all you want. I have been given immunity from criticism.

    I will continue to remind you Ganzo is not to be trusted. They steal from other companies and they steal from their customers. Believing somehow they won't rip you off is naive at best at worst it's because you're a company rep and your job is to show up here in the middle of nowhere and defend them. Allthough if you did work there I'd worry about you getting ripped off too since a leopard never changes it's spots.

    I will remind you that their products are junk and not worth even the Alibaba #1 supplier price.
     
  17. Bill DeShivs

    Bill DeShivs KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jun 6, 2000
    As one of the most counterfeited names in the business, and someone who actually knows knives- I'll tell you this:
    Making a knife of the same pattern is not counterfeiting, nor is it stealing. It's been done by almost every manufacturer in every country.
    To my knowledge, Ganzo has not made a counterfeit of any knife-and they make a pretty good knife for the money. I have one sitting on my desk.
     
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  18. Mr.Wizard

    Mr.Wizard

    608
    Feb 28, 2015
    Disabled transgender Muslim person of color? :rolleyes:
     
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  19. soc_monki

    soc_monki

    553
    Apr 5, 2019
    They've made almost exact copies of the spyderco pm2, except with an axis lock. Not a one to one counterfeit, but pretty close.
     
  20. willc

    willc Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 13, 2013
    Schrade and many other companies made almost exact copies of the Buck 110.
    I don’t see these companies vilified on the forum.
     
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