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[IDENTIFICATION] Is this a Biscayne French trade axe?

Discussion in 'Axe, Tomahawk, & Hatchet Forum' started by Pindvin, Dec 3, 2017.

  1. Pindvin

    Pindvin

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    Dec 11, 2008
    I recently acquired this axe:
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    It'll be shipped to me on monday to be exactly. Now back to the topic. One guy on Axe Junkies says it's a French trade axe (Biscayne). I've gone through soem materials on the Biscayne axes and though i find them with several similiar stamps - none of the stamp or axe shape matches. http://www.furtradetomahawks.com/biscayne-trade-axes---9.html
    From what i understand, the stamp shows some kind of a Jesuit cross? Idk. What do you guys think?
     
  2. Square_peg

    Square_peg Basic Member Basic Member

    Feb 1, 2012
    With that shape eye it looks more Eastern European to me. But I've seen that shape among French axes, too. I supposed the shape traveled across the continent.
     
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  3. FortyTwoBlades

    FortyTwoBlades Baryonyx walkeri Dealer / Materials Provider

    Mar 8, 2008
    I was just going to say, that eye shape is most typically French or Eastern European.
     
  4. Pindvin

    Pindvin

    199
    Dec 11, 2008
    Thank you for your replies. I also asked this question on two Facebook groups but there's still no answer. Even though I live in Europe I'm not sure where to look for information.
     
  5. 300Six

    300Six

    Aug 29, 2013
    I'm under the impression that Biscayne and Basque trade axes featured round (or oval) eyes. This one doesn't look to have accidentally been mashed flat (to give it a D shape such as other European axes have) at the poll either.
     
  6. jblyttle

    jblyttle

    Sep 3, 2014
    I agree with all that has been said, I just wanted to add that it is not a trade axe.
     
  7. 300Six

    300Six

    Aug 29, 2013
    Not necessarily the case, but very likely so. Spalling of the cheeks of this item are iron-like and the blade insert delineation is obvious but other than that the stamp is what you're going to have to nail down. These fortunate markings are where you're gonna get answers.
    For sure though this critter wasn't made yesterday!
     
  8. jblyttle

    jblyttle

    Sep 3, 2014
    It isn't a trade axe. Those were tomahawk like with simple round eyes and were differently shaped altogether. Also, this one looks larger. Also, note the the original poster stated that he lives in Europe.
     
  9. Pindvin

    Pindvin

    199
    Dec 11, 2008
    The axe weighs 2 lbs
     
  10. jake pogg

    jake pogg

    Dec 20, 2015
    The blade angle/shape is that of an end-grain-purposed axe such as an "haches de sabotier",a clog-makers's axe.
    Except for the single bevel,but different people performed a similar chore differently.
    Some examples:

    http://www.forum-outils-anciens.com/t946-Identifier-une-hache.htm

    http://www.forum-outils-anciens.com/t3931-identifier-une-hache.htm

    Eye shape is rather France or Germany and further east,as been pointed out,the Iberian penninsula ones more often round or oval...

    The "trade-axe" concept is so loose as to be virtually meaningless...Especially based on some of the more common(and less identified,in time and geography both)touchmarks...Afterall,ANYTHING could have been brought and traded in the colonies of the New World,and so many objects were,and they were all of them produced Somewhere in Europe...
     
  11. flexo

    flexo

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    Mar 14, 2013
    well this is not a biscaine axe! this is a trade axe in the way that it was sold somehow! but not a fur trade axe. this is a antique axe wrought iron +steel insert no doubt about it. this can be a germanic made axe in a large way eastern France to slovaquia . Something like a carving axe for carpentry work. altought it could have been used in the wood beeing an axe!
    http://www.forum-outils-anciens.com/t12249-Carpentier-ou-sabotier.htm
     
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  12. flexo

    flexo

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    Mar 14, 2013
    i searched images on the web Under the german vocable "alt zimmermann beile" and found Nothing convincing...
     
  13. Kevin Houtzager

    Kevin Houtzager

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    Jun 25, 2017
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  14. Pindvin

    Pindvin

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    Dec 11, 2008
    I live I Poland but haven't seen one like this unless it was a reenactment piece. Either way it would be expensive. I paid around 15$
     
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  15. Kevin Houtzager

    Kevin Houtzager

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    Jun 25, 2017
    X
     
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  16. 300Six

    300Six

    Aug 29, 2013
    Only a few cups of Starbucks coffee. But, is this destined to be a 'user' or a 'display curio'?
     
  17. Kevin Houtzager

    Kevin Houtzager

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    Jun 25, 2017
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  18. Pindvin

    Pindvin

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    Dec 11, 2008
    Firstly I wanted to restore it completely but now that I know it may have some historical value I'll just use electrolysis in order to clean it completely. Then I'll look for any additional stamps.
     
  19. 300Six

    300Six

    Aug 29, 2013
    I don't visit Starbucks at all, and rarely buy coffee at Canuck-iconic Tim Hortons. Much like choices for booze I've become quite content to cultivate a taste for 'cheap'. When you can buy a 1 kg tin of Maxwell House dark roast on sale for $7 you can perc, press or drip perfectly good coffee at home for an entire month. I only brought up the price of fashionista coffee because so many people out there claim to be stretched thin financially but don't blink at buying 3-4 store-made coffees every day. $10 a day translates to $300 a month and $3500 a year! Compared to my investment of $7 (or $8 and sometimes $6) x 12 months = (under a $100) it frees up cash for hobbies, and more beer.
     
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  20. Square_peg

    Square_peg Basic Member Basic Member

    Feb 1, 2012
    ^^^

    ....and you still get your daily caffeine fix.
     
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