@ Shyulace and Davidf99- Please bear with me, this week has been pure hell in many respects. Very busy and tired here here. I hope to get you your numbers by this evening. On top of everything my furnace quit working yesterday and i had to deal with that amongst many other things. Luckily the technician is a great guy and knife lover, so i did not have to sleep in the cold last nite. I may have made a non forum customer.