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Katrina Aftermath

Discussion in 'Himalayan Imports' started by munk, Aug 30, 2005.

  1. DannyinJapan

    DannyinJapan

    Oct 9, 2003
    Oh Bear, we sure do have some feelings.
    Here is an idea of how we feel:

    Fort Worth Texas:
    My son talked this week with a school bus driver in the community where he lives. The bus driver was assigned to go to one of the shelters in Ft. Worth to pick up refugees and take them to a job fair that was being held by Ft. Worth employers. At the shelter, NOT ONE OF THE REFUGEES WOULD GET ON THE BUS TO FIND A JOB. The bus driver even went into the shelter and made an announcement about the job fair, with no takers. A lady, who was not a refugee, asked if she could take the bus to the job fair. She took the bus and she was thrilled that she found a job.

    One of the employers told the bus driver that she had six jobs available, starting at $11.50/hour, but that none of the refugees would apply. In addition to the hourly wage, they offered to pick up the employee, take them to work, and return them after the workday. Still no takers. Another bus driver who went to another shelter had the same experience...not a single one of the deadbeats would even take the bus to the job fair to apply for the jobs.

    Federal support and welfare must be too good a deal to pass up!
     
  2. hollowdweller

    hollowdweller

    Sep 22, 2003
    I heard O'Reilly's comments. :mad: That basically if the poor folks hadn't improved themselves and got out they basically deserved to die because you can't depend on the Gov't. However the reason you can't depend on it is because all the money to run it has been given to the rich.

    Why does it seem that so many think the only true work of government is to go over and kill people? Sometimes people that pose no real threat? But to heal or help is wrong. When I hear such things some famous quotes come to mind:

    41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ Matthew 25

    19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. [6] The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. Luke 16
     
  3. munk

    munk

    Mar 22, 2002
    OReilly did not say that, Hollowdweller, that is your interpretation.




    munk
     
  4. Thomas Linton

    Thomas Linton

    Jun 16, 2003
    "All the money" to run the government "has been given to the rich"????????!

    Edited to add:

    After "entitlements" and federal payroll, most is accounted for. Are these recipients of the vast bulk of the money "the rich"?
     
  5. kronckew

    kronckew

    Aug 17, 2003
    according to proper socialist doctrine, the rich are anyone who works for a living and who won't give all their earings voluntarily to be distributed amoungst the poor. the 'poor' are anyone who believe the world owes them a living, so they are not required to work, they've got people to do that for them (the rich).

    notice, as the kerrys, and clintons of the world, along with lawyers, don't really fit the definition of 'rich' as they do not work for a living, and so feel entitled to speak for the 'poor' and also avoid the laws they pass to limit the incomes of the 'rich'
     
  6. ibear

    ibear

    478
    Apr 15, 2002
    Jeeeeeez.... but, lookeeee thar... sure enuffff true! Those people do need help, don't they! A boost in the buttttocks might help, ya think? Hey, when on the dole, why work, huh? On the other hand, some may not have wanted to leave their families because of uncertain times and the possibility of an unsettked future. However, it seems more than a bit strange that absolutely nobody would work!

    Hmmmmmm, go figure!

    iBear
     
  7. ibear

    ibear

    478
    Apr 15, 2002
    I heard O'Reilly's comments. That basically if the poor folks hadn't improved themselves and got out they basically deserved to die because you can't depend on the Gov't. However the reason you can't depend on it is because all the money to run it has been given to the rich.

    Why does it seem that so many think the only true work of government is to go over and kill people? Sometimes people that pose no real threat? But to heal or help is wrong. - hollowdweller
    **********************************************
    This gross misinterpretation is part of what is wrong with our media! You choose to twist and turn with the best of them! Remember, the truth shall set you free! You change the facts and then dub in some warped view of reality, based solely on your own illusion and imagination, based on what never even happened!

    Sorry to disappoint your fantasy..... but, no matter how you twist it, the mayor of NO is the only one that failed to mobilize several hundred school buses to evacuate the poor people. It had nothing to do with GWB or his administration. That is not his job, contrary to your illusion!

    Northridge is a predominantly white city with many affluent citizens. After the terrible disaster of the Nortridge, California quake, it was the local government that responded with medical care and evacuation and rescue efforts. The Federal Government did not respond until later and in the first place, FEMA was slow to fund any money.

    This is typical of the Feds, the normal way it has always been done and not an unusual occurance because some people were black! It was expected that local Governments would handle the immediate response issues.
     
  8. Thomas Linton

    Thomas Linton

    Jun 16, 2003
    HD is not part of the media. Thus any possible misinterpretations by this long-time, and appreciated member of the Cantina has ZIP to do with the problems at CBS,ABS, and NBS.

     
  9. munk

    munk

    Mar 22, 2002
    Ibear,
    It is not neccesary to use such illustrative and overblown rhetoric here. HI forum is not like the Civil Liberties forum where you teethed on the internet. Ease down a notch. Hollow is a leftist, but he's OUR leftist. Really, I know where you're coming from because I was there too.

    We actually try to get somewhere's here....you know? Further?

    your friend,

    munk
     
  10. Semper Fi

    Semper Fi

    Feb 23, 2002
    Facts as I see 'em....

    Fact: New Orleans sits in a bowl BELOW sea level.

    Fact: There will be ANOTHER hurricane at some point in the future.

    Fact: If New Orleans is rebuilt it WILL flood again.

    Katrina only pointed out the obvious.

    I say abandon New Orleans and move to higher ground.
     
  11. cliff355

    cliff355

    Apr 19, 2003
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  12. Thomas Linton

    Thomas Linton

    Jun 16, 2003
    It seems there was a plan after Betsy to build a high levee on the north side plus gates to close off the lake from storm surge from the north.

    It was blocked by a federal court order in the 1970's due to an "inadequate" environmental impact statement (There was concern that the levee and gates would reduce the water flow into the lake to the injury of the fish. Local "interests" wanting to build a port also opposed the project.)

    The project was finally abandoned in 1986.

    The site for the proposed port is now permanently under water as the area sinks due to levees (speed flow of silt into ocean rether than depositing in delta).

    We have met the enemy and . . . .
     
  13. DannyinJapan

    DannyinJapan

    Oct 9, 2003
    This is from a friend in Houston ,Texas. I do not necessarily agree with what is in this email, but I do ask that you who live in states that DID NOT take in 230,000 refugees remember that there is more to the story than the news will ever tell....


    I went to volunteer on Saturday at the George R. Brown convention for two reasons.

    A: I wanted to help people to get a warm fuzzy.

    B: Curiosity.

    Ive been watching the news lately and have seen scenes that have made me want to vomit. And no it wasnt dead bodies, the city under water, or the sludge everywhere. It was PEOPLES BEHAVIOR. The people on T.V. (99% being Black) where DEMANDING help. They were not asking nicely but demanding as if society owed these people something. Well the honest truth is WE DONT. Help should be asked for in a kind manner and then appreciated. This is not what the press (FOX in particular) was showing, what I was seeing was a group of people who are yelling, demanding, looting, killing, raping, and SHOOTING back at the demanded help!!!!! So Im thinking this cant possibly be true can it???? So I decide to submit to the DEMAND for help out of SHOCK. I couldnt believe this to be true of the majority of the people who are the weakest of society. So I went to volunteer and help folks out and see the truth. So I will tell the following story and you decide:

    I arrived at the astrodome only to find out that there are too many volunteers and that volunteers where needed at the GeorgeR.BrownConvention Center. As I was walking up to the Convention Center I noticed a line of cars that wrapped around blocks filled with donations. T

    hese where ordinary Houstonians coming with truckloads and trunks full of water, diapers, clothes, blankets, food, all types of good stuff. And lots of it was NEW. I felt that warm fuzzy while he lping unload these vehicles of these wonderful human beings. I then went inside the building and noticed approximately 100,000 sq. ft. of clothes, shoes, jackets, toys and all types of goodies all organized and ready for the people in need. I signed up, received a name badge and was on my merry way excited to be useful.

    I toured the place to get familiar with my surrounding; the entire place is probably around 2 million sq. ft. I noticed rows as far as the eye can see of mattresses, not cots, BLOW UP MATTRESSES!!! All of which had nice pillows and plenty of blankets. 2 to 3 bottles of water lay on every bed. These full size to queen size beds by the way where comfortable, I laid in one to see for myself. I went to look at the medical area. I couldnt believe what my eyes were seeing!!! A makeshift hospital created in 24 hours!!! It was unbelievable, they even had a pharmacy. I also noticed that they created showers, which would also have hot water. I went upstairs to the third floor to find a HUGE cafeteria created in under 24 hours! Rows of tables, chairs and food everywhere enough to feed an army! Im not talking about crap food either. They had Jason's deli food, apples, oranges, coke, diet coke, lemonade, orange juice, cookies, all types of chips and sandwiches. All the beverages by the way was put on ice and chilled!!!! In a matter of about 24 hours or less an entire mini-city was erected by volunteers for the poor evacuees. This was not your rundown crap shelter, it was BUM HEAVEN.

    So that was the layout: great food, comfy beds, clean showers, free medical help, by the way there was a library, and a theatre room I forgot to mention. Great stuff right????

    Well here is what happened on my journey

    I started by handing out COLD water bottles to evacuees as they got off the bus. Many would take them and only 20% or less said thank you. Lots of them would shake their heads and ask for sodas! So t his went on for about 20-30 minutes until I was sick of being an unappreciated servant. I figured certainly these folks would appreciate some food!!! So I went upstairs to serve these beloved evacuees some GOOD food that I wish I could have at the moment!

    ***The following statements are graphic, truthful, and discuss UNRATIONAL behavior***

    Evacuees come slowly to receive this mountain of food that is worth serving to a king! I tell them that we have 2 types of great deli sandwiches to choose from ham and turkey. Many look at the food in disgust and DEMAND burgers, pizza, and even McDonalds!!!! Jasons deli is better than McDonalds!!!! Only 1 out of ten people who took something would say “thank you the rest took items as if it was their God give right to be served without a shred of appreciation!!! They would ask for Beer and liquor. They complained that we didnt have good enough food. They refused food and laughed at us. They treate d us volunteers as if we here SLAVES. No not all of them of coursebut 70% did!!!!!! 20% where appreciative, 10% took the food without any comment and the other 70% had some disgusting comment to say. Some had the nerve to laugh at us. And when I snapped back at them for being mean, they would curse at me!!! Needless to say I was in utter shock. They would eat their food and leave their mess on the table some would pick up their stuff many would leave it for the volunteers to pick up. I left that real quick to go down and help set up some more beds. I saw many young ladies carrying mattresses and I helped for a while. Then I realized something there were hundreds of able bodied young men who could help!! I asked a group of young evacuees in their teens and early twenties to help. I got cursed at for asking them to help!!! One said “We just lost our ****ing homes and you want us to work!! The next said “Ya Cracker, you got a home we dont" I looked at them in disbelief. Here are women walking by carrying THEIR ****ING BEDS and they cant lift a finger and help themselves!!

    WHY THE **** SHOULD I HELP PEOPLE WHO DONT WANT TO HELP THEMSELVES!!!!

    I waved them off and turned away and was laughed at and more “white boy jokes where made at me. I felt no need to waste my breath on a bunch of pitiful losers. I went to a nearby restroom where I noticed a man shaving. I used the restroom, washed my hands and saw this man throw his razor towards the trash can...he missed he walked out leaving his disgusting razor on the floor for some other “cracker" to pick up. Even the little kids where demanding. I saw only ONE white family and only TWO Hispanic families. The rest where blackssorry 20% to 30% decent blacks and 70% LOSERS!!!!!

    I would call them ****ERS, but the actual definition of a ****er is one who is ignorant, these people were not ignorant they where ARROGANT ********. The majority of which are thugs and lifetime lazy ass welfare recipients. We are inviting the lowest of the low to Houston. And like idiots we are serving the people who will soon steal our cars, rape, murder, and destroy our city while stealing from our pockets on a daily basis through the welfare checks they take. We will fund our own destruction.

    By “US" I dont mean a specific race, I mean the people who work hard, work smart, have values and morals. Only people who want to help themselves should be helped, the others should be allowed to destroy themselves. I do not want to work hard, give the government close to half the money I earn so they can in turn give it to a bunch of losers.

    I dont believe in being poor for life. My family immigrated here, we came here poor, and now thank God, and due to HARD WORK we are doing fine. If immigrants, who come here, dont kn ow the language can work and become successful... WHY THE **** CANT THE MAJORITY OF THE HOMEGROWN DO IT!!! If we continue to reward these losers then we will soon destroy our great country. I just witnessed selfish, arrogant, unappreciative behavior by the very people who need help the most. Now these same people who cursed me, refused my cities generosity, who refuse to help themselves are DEMANDING handouts on their own terms!!!!!!! They prance around as if they are owed something, and when they do receive a handout, they say its not good enough!
     
  14. munk

    munk

    Mar 22, 2002
    That was an earfull, alright. I'm going to digest it and hope to God we aren't that bad off. I didn't like the writer either.



    munk
     
  15. DannyinJapan

    DannyinJapan

    Oct 9, 2003
    Nah, he made a lot of spelling mistakes too. Im not even in the country, but the man is there and can see whats happening in the flesh.
    Katrina isnt over yet, thats for sure...
     
  16. ibear

    ibear

    478
    Apr 15, 2002
    HD is not part of the media. Thus any possible misinterpretations by this long-time, and appreciated member of the Cantina has ZIP to do with the problems at CBS,ABS, and NBS. - Thomas Linton
    ***************************************
    There ya go, making a "no kidding" good point again! Now, why didn't I know that? Well, HMMMMM, I guess I did! But that is common sense isn't it?

    See, when I compare the lack of logic that Hollow Dweller was demonstrating.... and then compare it to what is wrong with the media... the point is... they both have a similar problem... and that is, no common sense and they both lack the ability to observe the obvious! But I guess you missed that somehow.

    MY QUOTE: This gross misinterpretation is part of what is wrong with our media! You choose to twist and turn with the best of them! Remember, the truth shall set you free! You change the facts and then dub in some warped view of reality, based solely on your own illusion and imagination, based on what never even happened!

    Seeeee, what HD was doing is what the media does... and with all of your intelligence, your inclination to make my post wrong, gets in the way of your objectivity. But, no sweat, that's just you isn't it?

    iBear
     
  17. ibear

    ibear

    478
    Apr 15, 2002
    HD didn't say anyhting about transportation in general or the buses in particular. Easy argument to slap down, but he didn't make it. - Thomas Linton
    **********************************************
    Obviously! He didn't make that argument in that post, anyway! Logic will dictate that I was apparently making a point! Don't jump on me so quick... no reason to leap with both feet. I am easy to get along with if you are inclined to do so! I see no reason to do otherwise.... do you?

    iBear
     
  18. ibear

    ibear

    478
    Apr 15, 2002
    However, the State also had responsibility for front-line emergency planning and response, and the feds have assumed some undefined responsibility by their statement, through GHWB, that they should have done better. Maybe the last is just rinning scared from the media, but it's out there -- an assumption of responsibility to some extent. - Thomas Linton
    ***************************************
    GWB may have been running scared and carefully admitting nothing by stating they could have done better.... whatever that means. Anybody, anywhere can always do better, whatever that means! "WHO KNOWS" what it means? Maybe some sort of appeasment?

    QUOTE: Sorry to disappoint your fantasy..... but, no matter how you twist it, the mayor of NO is the only one that failed to mobilize several hundred school buses to evacuate the poor people. It had nothing to do with GWB or his administration. That is not his job, contrary to your illusion! Here again, I'm making a point!

    The point is, that whatever little bit GWB had to do with response.... the lionshare of the problem was created by the Mayor of New Orleans and the Governor's slow response to the disaster and the failure to call out the National Guard in a timely manner.

    These slow response failures had nothing to do with George W. Bush!


    Thanks, :) :) :)

    iBear
     
  19. ibear

    ibear

    478
    Apr 15, 2002
    I dont believe in being poor for life. My family immigrated here, we came here poor, and now thank God, and due to HARD WORK we are doing fine. If immigrants, who come here, dont kn ow the language can work and become successful... WHY THE **** CANT THE MAJORITY OF THE HOMEGROWN DO IT!!! If we continue to reward these losers then we will soon destroy our great country. I just witnessed selfish, arrogant, unappreciative behavior by the very people who need help the most. Now these same people who cursed me, refused my cities generosity, who refuse to help themselves are DEMANDING handouts on their own terms!!!!!!! They prance around as if they are owed something, and when they do receive a handout, they say its not good enough! - DIJ
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    Reward laziness and you will be rewarded with more of the same. Reward no action and you will get more.... no action. Reward hard work and more people will choose to work. That is what is wrong with welfare! Teach people to hammer nails and they will build a house..... maybe a big house. Teach people to put out their hands for their daily bread and it could be, we will get nothing built but slums.

    I hope that I am wrong!

    iBear
     
  20. ibear

    ibear

    478
    Apr 15, 2002
    I agree!

    Optimism is good, but I think intelligent action is much better.

    iBear
     

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