Lets talk GEC!

Discussion in 'Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades' started by rockgolfer, Jun 23, 2013.

  1. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jul 3, 2019
    I think of SFO’s in two classes; a basic blade etch/new scale cover change SFO and then the #77/Northwoods/Waynorth SFO. Obviously the latter is going to be missed, but I have a question... if, in a parallel dimension, GEC produced the same cover choices under their brand names (instead of being SFOs), would that affect the collectors?

    it is entirely plausible we will see exciting options coming out without the “SFO” driver. Fascinating discussion: I’ve been catching up.

    there’s a new S&M? Huh?! *googles*.

    I think this comment really just shows how little I understand about knife collections. This seems to sum up how a significant population of collectors feel.

    this +1; I would gladly make concessions on cover material selections to keep the quality knives coming in the mail.

    That’s really not a good sign, huh?. ~1/24 is a standard GEC. On the flip side, by mere coincidence of my aesthetic tastes, I happened to buy 9 GECs which weren’t SFO’s. I wonder if there’s a correlation between GEC buyer and likelihood of that knife being an SFO.

    I know what you’re saying, but my personal battle in this life is showing people how a reliable, sharp pocket knife is essential; not for the times you can substitute for a knife, but the times you can’t :).

    To your second point, truly, Charlie’s input in the process will be missed.
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  2. Jiki

    Jiki Basic Member Basic Member

    Jun 12, 2018
    Maybe he is.
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  3. Norcaldude

    Norcaldude Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 19, 2014
    I imagine losing trained workers to the virus wouldn't have been good for GEC either.
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  4. imhuntn

    imhuntn Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 4, 2008
    Amen William!!
  5. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jul 3, 2019
    With respect to the upcoming #33 conductor run:

    Cursory searches have indicated its a single spring pen knife configuration. My beloved #35 Churchill has asymmetric grinds to fit the blades along side each other, which I love. I’m less enthusiastic about krinked blades.

    anyone have a good top down shot of the previous conductor? I’m interested to know how they manage the blade well.

    I know it’s not likely, but I’d buy three 2020 #33 whittlers in the clip/pen/coping configuration.
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  6. mbkr

    mbkr Gold Member Gold Member

    May 20, 2018
    I think I'd have to have one of those too :thumbsup:
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  7. hose56

    hose56 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 8, 2009
    This change is not something that just happened. It was being considered long before the virus hit. The Dealers do not hog anything. Their thought and imagination has added much to the menu. As a long time collector I do not see any upside to this.
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  8. waynorth

    waynorth Dealer / Materials Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Nov 19, 2005
    With respect, shutting down was the only option!! Imagine a person with no symptoms going into the GEC store, and spreading the virus unknowingly to the whole place!! From this shut-down, even the unknowing have learned the value of a face mask (hopefully!) to help prevent a repeat of the Spanish (also mis-named!) Flu!!
    Learning about it all, by having it hit your community, and killing a bunch of your local people is a heck of a way to learn what stops it!!
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  9. Fox79

    Fox79 Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 24, 2017
    For the porch members that are planning to attend the Rendezvous it would be great if you could keep the rest of up to date on what you hear about GEC and the future of SFOs. I’m sure this will be a huge topic there.

    I really do hope the company is ok and hasn’t been impacted too much by the shutdown.

    I’ve only been collecting GEC for 3 years, but I really enjoy that Bill Howard has brought back to life small pieces of history with his Cutlery.

    Happy 4th of July to all on the porch!
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  10. rdave

    rdave Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 13, 2013
  11. rdave

    rdave Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 13, 2013
    So you want an SFO? OK. Stand on your head. Arms out. Legs out. Good, now get on your knees - now one knee, sorry these SFOs are for my preferred customers but we may have a drawing for the "S" knife I got. You want in? Stand on your head...
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  12. hose56

    hose56 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 8, 2009
    Respectfully I disagree. In a county with a population of 84,600 people there were only 3 CV cases when they were shut down. In my opinion the closings should have been based on population density and the number of cases reported. As of today there have only been 49 cases reported and no deaths. GEC could have elected to close the store without it being mandated by the Government. All water under the bridge now. I wish them well and will miss the SFO's, especially yours.
    I'm sending you an email with a question. Take care
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  13. Pàdruig

    Pàdruig Live and Let Die Platinum Member

    Dec 1, 2016
    I have a lot of admiration for folks that commit to buying an entire lineup - SFOs and all. I usually only buy cover materials and varieties that I favor.

    The changes in GEC's SFO policy affect me in the following ways:
    1. Charlie has initiated the production of some of the best patterns/variants that we've seen. His deep knowledge and contagious enthusiasm have blessed us with some exceptional knives. Some of my most cherished and used knives are SFOs of his - not experiencing a future with them is going to hurt.
    2. In all honesty, I favor (above all others) four different cover materials - Black wood (Ebony), Stag, Red Sawcut Bone, and Smooth White Bone. I can get three out of the four in regular production runs with GEC. Even if GEC doesn't use red Sawcut in general production, I will still have access to knives with covers that please me.
    The lack of SFOs does indeed diminish some of the sparkle from a collector's standpoint - there is no denying this. With that said, if less or no SFOs means greater runs of knives in GEC's current trim variants and standard cover materials, I don't see that as a bad thing really. The knives are still going to be awesome and the fact that their business plan is always evolving or subject to change, then we can remain hopeful that SFOs will be accepted again in the future.

  14. cbr1000


    Jan 31, 2013
    I think it's less to do with collections, and more of a loss related to discontinuing the very successful lines from Charlie, Northwoods, Collector Knives.
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  15. rdave

    rdave Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 13, 2013
    I am betting we will see SFOs in the near future and also betting Charlie will continue to contribute to GECs' success even without an SFO in his pocket...How about something to get really get fired up about, like living a world without starvation in it...
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  16. hose56

    hose56 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 8, 2009
    I think Bill is doing a bit of restructuring. In my opinion there are perhaps too many dealers to satisfy and it has burdened production. I'm hoping in 6 to 10 months some of the long term dealers that do SFO's will return. The Barlows, Lambfoot, and a few others set the the collecting world on fire.
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  17. rdave

    rdave Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 13, 2013
    Good thought - we have seen GEC make many changes under Bill Howard's tutelage - these 14 years have been an interesting journey at GEC with surely more to come... I see this disruption as simply a minor event, with more great things to come. Not as a huge disappointment. The barlow pattern, among others, seems to be a standard in the traditional line up, why would Howard would kick it to the curb? Looking forward to the future...
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  18. Scott J.

    Scott J. Basic Member Basic Member

    Jun 8, 2019
    Why can't he make a nice Barlow and put nice covers on it and call it....I don't know?? Maybe a Northfield?
  19. Spaten

    Spaten Basic Member Basic Member

    Dec 27, 2015
    I believe the #77 NF barlows are NorthField.
  20. Jiki

    Jiki Basic Member Basic Member

    Jun 12, 2018
    I don't know, go back through the 62s, 86s, 92s, 29s, 93s and 12s. There has been 3 different acrylics, 3 camel bones, snake wood, blood wood, osage, Cocobolo, smooth bone, jigged bone, stag, and several micartas all on factory runs. GEC makes beautiful, functional knives.

    On another note, do you mean to tell me that if they made a run of 77 Jacks with no Barlows they wouldn't sell out immediately? I know I would be first in line.

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