Lets talk GEC!

Discussion in 'Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades' started by rockgolfer, Jun 23, 2013.

  1. rdave

    rdave Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 13, 2013

    So, to be nimble is to score an SFO? And, Howard intentionally aggravates collectors and alienates current customers after spending many years emptying their bank accounts and filling his bank accounts? WOW! :cool:
     
  2. JohnDF

    JohnDF Gold Member Gold Member

    May 14, 2018
    That knife is GOLD in my book. :cool::thumbsup:

    Nooooooooooo....
     
  3. Leslie Tomville

    Leslie Tomville Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 19, 2016
    @knifeswapper

    Mike, your comments hint at something I have long wondered about. Giving it your best guess, what percentage of GEC knives do you believe are bought by hard core collectors like those of us on Blade Forums? These changes make me think that we must be a fairly small minority.
     
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  4. PirateSeulb

    PirateSeulb

    Jun 6, 2017
    I would think in the end it removes a lot more aggravation than it creates and if I am lucky we might see more stainless variations added in to the mix.
     
  5. JohnDF

    JohnDF Gold Member Gold Member

    May 14, 2018
    I'm imagining a #76 Gunstock, with a Cap Lifter, in Stainless, and Saw Cut Bone...
    The collectors are saying, "Yes please... And produce them in very limited numbers."
    The buyers/users are saying, "Yes please... In enough numbers that I can actually get one."
    I guess it all depends if you want a good knife or you want exclusivity and secondary pricing.

    [​IMG]
     
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  6. Markeologist

    Markeologist Basic Member Basic Member

    Jul 21, 2018
    I believe GEC makes less money on SFOs than on their standard issue knives. Each SFO pulls in a partner who takes on some of the financial responsibility including costs for tooling. GEC has less financial outlay for the release but the partner is in turn entitled to some of the profit. The re-setting of the "production line" for each release is time not spent making knives. This decision sure seems to be a simple streamlining effort, boosting their output and see a resulting increase in their profitability.
     
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  7. LastRodeo

    LastRodeo Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Nov 2, 2013
    Does that knife have new covers?
     
  8. JohnDF

    JohnDF Gold Member Gold Member

    May 14, 2018
    Yes, it was originally Acrylic with a Hot Dog Shield.
    I had Glenn recover it in Ebony and add the Sword Shield.
     
  9. Quiet

    Quiet "That guy" Platinum Member

    Oct 11, 2013
    I would say that you're probably unintentionally blurring the lines here. I haven't seen any collectors here who have expressed happiness that there was a very limited number of something and they got one and others didn't (my opinion of those folks would drop pretty drastically if I saw that). I like to think I'm in the majority when I say that as a GEC collector I'd LOVE for SFOs to have been produced in greater numbers so that more collectors could get their hands on one.
     
  10. rdave

    rdave Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 13, 2013
    Perhaps. My guess is Howard takes his profit first be it an SFO or regular run - builds a knife, marks it up, sells it to the dealer. Why would Howard take less money for building a best selling knife or SFO?
     
  11. PirateSeulb

    PirateSeulb

    Jun 6, 2017
    I think collectors enjoyed have the multitude of variations and having exclusives from select vendors but I don't think this change will stop collectors if anything it will give their wallets some relief as they won't have to buy as many.
     
  12. JohnDF

    JohnDF Gold Member Gold Member

    May 14, 2018
    It wasn't unintentional. It was showing extremes :D
    There are lots of people out there who enjoy the exclusivity of a knife.
    There are others out there that feed in the financial waters of exclusivity.
    Do people want SFOs because they are better knives, or because they are exclusive or perceived as better???
    I get that there are collectors that just want all the different finishes, but what about the person who just wants one? Why is it that they fight tooth-and-nail to buy a Northwoods rather than a Tidioute? You can't tell me they are a better tool. More likely because they are exclusive.
     
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  13. bbk357

    bbk357 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Mar 12, 2018
    Makes me wonder if GEC will ever make another caplifter again.... :(:mad:
     
  14. Quiet

    Quiet "That guy" Platinum Member

    Oct 11, 2013
    Well, I for one have mostly enjoyed the SFO versions of some of the knives more than the standard runs of them. It's also a tad frustrating when you try to find a certain pattern after the fact, for example, the #29 that was done for a vendor who (since I'm not sure is a supporting vendor here) won't be named. You look around, and even head to Ebay, and all you see are the normal runs (which I have zero interest in) and none of the SFOs. That tells me which of the two types were more desirable. I have absolutely no shame in admitting that for every model I've seen or bought that GEC produces, I've enjoyed the SFO variants more than the run of the mill regular run. If GEC doesn't switch to using those sorts of materials and design choices that (now previously) went to SFO runs in their own lineup, I'm going to buying a lot fewer GEC knives. Which hey, is good for the folks who like their regular production run knives!
     
  15. cbr1000

    cbr1000

    Jan 31, 2013
    As a customer of CK and GEC just wanted to post, as usual you hit the nail right on the head, and count me in the not happy with the changes catagory.
     
  16. JohnDF

    JohnDF Gold Member Gold Member

    May 14, 2018
    My thoughts trend towards this Non-SFO decision as being a temporary solution to get all their ducks in a row. Get the train back on track, get production flowing in the direction they want (financially), and then figure how they want to work the SFOs back in under their new direction.

    They are also probably tired of the flippers making more (easy) profit than the producer and the retailer.
    I know it burns me up when I see a dozen Forum Knives (just the one's I've seen) being flipped for hundreds of dollars in profit when Mike didn't make a dime from all his hard work.
     
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  17. Markeologist

    Markeologist Basic Member Basic Member

    Jul 21, 2018
    Don't think he would take less money for a best selling knife, in particular if it was all GEC but the profit from the SFO is something that is shared. Need those retailers/folks who have worked with GEC on a SFO to weigh in here but I know they have a minimum order number and have to pony up funds for the run. I would assume they get that order of knives at some wholesale rate that leaves them a margin to make some profit. I doubt anybody, except perhaps the flippers, makes a great amount of money on the release of a SFO.
     
  18. Markeologist

    Markeologist Basic Member Basic Member

    Jul 21, 2018
    Few of the cap lifters were SFOs...the BF 85, Charlie's Diamond Radio Jacks, and the Soda and Gun Scouts that tagged along with the standard Beer Scouts. Seems to me we can expect a run of something with a cap lifter in future...still holding out for a "Beer Hunter" …. throw a cap lifter on a 23 in place of the spey!!!
     
  19. rdave

    rdave Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 13, 2013
    H

    Hilarious. So Howard changes GEC business plan out of concern for his scrambling customers? Would you think Howard's primary concern is to produce profitable knives that sell in quantities. And Howard must be crying about the non-nimble slobs (of which I am one) who can't pound on their keyboards fast enough or are not fortunate enough to get on a preferred buyers list or find a dealer to sell them all four flavors at a time or have slow wi-fi which prevents them from spending their money on their grandkids - really?

    Would you think Howard would be equal opportunity, all inclusive, when it comes to selling knives GEC builds, supporting his organization and 30 some employees and paying his mortgage and having a few bucks left over to leave for his grand kids?
     
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  20. Markeologist

    Markeologist Basic Member Basic Member

    Jul 21, 2018
    An exception here in my opinion is the Beer Scout Knife. I have regular run versions as well as a SFO Soda Scout (well and a Rendezvous parts knife too), if I had to own only one, I would go with the Beer Scout (excluding that parts knife version of course).
     
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