Military 2???

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  1. Cursum Perficio

    Cursum Perficio Basic Member Basic Member

    Oct 27, 2012
    Sold! :thumbsup:
     
  2. Alberta Ed

    Alberta Ed

    Jun 29, 1999
    Or 52100 or 3V.
     
  3. Blues

    Blues Lapsed SuperMod / Cattle Knife Rustler Staff Member Super Mod

    Oct 2, 1998
    3V would be great. (I'm a 52100 fan as well...but 3V gets my vote.)
     
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  4. Kaizen1

    Kaizen1 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 4, 2006
    I'd absolutely love any of the Military, PM2, Para 3 models to come in 154cm
     
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  5. gamma_nyc

    gamma_nyc Gold Member Gold Member

    272
    Dec 1, 2007
    where do I send my money?!
     
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  6. serratededge

    serratededge Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 30, 2008
    Golden, Colorado, USA, Earth :p

    In all seriousness, this sounds fantastic. Compression lock Mili with tip up...dreams do come true. Thank you Sal.
     
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  7. hopsbreath

    hopsbreath Gold Member Gold Member

    290
    Apr 3, 2012
    The CQI updated Military was quite a bit different than pre-CQI, I’d venture to say that’s as much as it’s changing for some time. As voiced further up, a compression Military isn’t a Military. Not like the Manix switching locks early on and giving us the CBBL and backlock versions. The Military is iconic as-is now, call a compression lock/4-way clip version something like PM2 XL, but it wouldn’t be a Military.
     
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  8. SubMicron

    SubMicron Gold Member Gold Member

    306
    Feb 2, 2020
    I also think maintaining the integrity of the naming convention is important. People already get confused between a Military and Paramilitary.

    If it's a compression lock then traditionally, it's not a "Military"

    If its larger than the Paramilitary 2, perhaps it simply could be called a Paramilitary.

    If it's a liner lock but smaller than the Military, maybe then the Military 2?
     
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  9. sharp_edge

    sharp_edge Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 30, 2015
    When sprint runs of Military with R.I.L lock came out, they were still called Military. If the length, thickness, and shape of the blade and handle of this new knife are the same as the production Military, to me it should still be called Military. If this knife becomes a regular production Spyderco, then it will need to be differentiated name-wise from the Military. In that case, Military 2 makes more sens to me than PM2 XL.

    A PM2 XL should be a proportionally enlarged PM2.
     
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  10. gamma_nyc

    gamma_nyc Gold Member Gold Member

    272
    Dec 1, 2007
    1) with all due respect, I think Eric and Sal will name the knife

    2) everyone focuses on different features that are important to them, but in the end the overall form and function of the knife are probably more important in terms of remaining consistent. For example, when the Endura first came out it had a plastic clip that was molded as part of the handle. Today, the current Endura does not have that same specific feature, yet it remains an Endura and fits the same form and function.

    3) CQI and the fact that the Military came out in 1996, before the implementation of the compression lock (2001 I believe). If Eric and Sal think the compression lock is better than liner lock for this future model then I am personally sold.
     
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  11. Blues

    Blues Lapsed SuperMod / Cattle Knife Rustler Staff Member Super Mod

    Oct 2, 1998
    [​IMG]

    "Wrong!...it's a Military! Forest, trees...people, please."
     
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  12. gamma_nyc

    gamma_nyc Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 1, 2007
    PS: it would be cool if the new Military came out to celebrate 25 year anniversary of the original launch!
     
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  13. 5-by-5

    5-by-5 Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 13, 2016
    Nope. That sounds horrible.
     
  14. Blues

    Blues Lapsed SuperMod / Cattle Knife Rustler Staff Member Super Mod

    Oct 2, 1998
    We're going to have to change your name to "Mikey". Though I guess you'd have to be a certain age to get it.

    [​IMG]
     
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  15. rxavage

    rxavage

    Aug 16, 2014

    Love the blade profile
     
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  16. VashHash

    VashHash

    Aug 11, 2009
    I thought sal mentioned years ago that the original military would still be produced along side the military 2. Not sure if that's changed or not.
     
  17. Kaizen1

    Kaizen1 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 4, 2006
    There's already a Paramilitary. It's the 1st generation of the PM2. I carried that for years before the PM2 came out.
     
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  18. JD Spydo

    JD Spydo Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 20, 2004
    Well "5 by 5" I mostly agree with you. I've always had the philosophy that "IF It Isn't Broke, Then Don't Try To Fix It. I've had such great luck and great performance using my M390 Military model for the past 3 & 1/2 years >>> and I've EDCed it that long because it's just a great hard use knife just the way it is. It's just a bit on the big side for an EDC folder but I've gotten used to it and it's legal in the state I live in.

    Now Eric Glesser's idea of possibly adding a compression lock sounds intriguing. If the compression lock is similar to the one on the older/disco'd GUNTING model I would go for that in a heartbeat. But that's all I would want to see changed with the C-36 Military. But again I can agree with you that I could go on using the same design for many years to come and it wouldn't bother me a bit. Also I love the fact that they use the Military and Para2 to introduce all these great new blade steels.
     
  19. sliceofaloha

    sliceofaloha Gold Member Gold Member

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    Oct 4, 2018
    Mahalo and Aloha - just needs a Spyderhole...!

    I’m calling it the Slant Bowie. Kinda reminiscent of the cartoon Road Runner head at full tilt!

    Could keep the flat grind easily as I love that but could also make a nice specimen in *hollow!*
     
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  20. oxman198

    oxman198

    Jun 17, 2013
    I generally don’t like liner locks as I see them as being the weakest locking mechanism on a folder. That being said I do believe the liner lock on the military is about as perfect of an execution of this lock as it gets and the military is one my favorite all time folders. However I think a compression lock is better in every way while still retaining the convenience of a liner lock knife. It’s stronger, safer ( keeps fingers out of blade path while closing) , more fun and still allows for a flow through handle design. Also, the weight can be kept low like the present military and will even increase the weight/strength ratio and make for a more robust knife. It’s even cooler that it’s a locking system completely original to Spyderco knives and is personally one of my favorite locking systems for all the reasons mentioned above. Hell, some of the most popular models have compression locks and I doubt they would be anywhere near the level of folder super stardom if they were given liner locks. A pm2 or shaman with a liner lock? Nah. As much as I love the liner lock military, the same knife with the same blade and handle profile but with a compression lock would be absolutely perfect IMO.
     
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