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Military Clasp Knives

Discussion in 'Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades' started by Jack Black, Aug 2, 2013.

  1. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    I knew I would find Jacks Thread on Military Clasp Knives, I think this Thread is FAR TOO IMPORTANT to let lie....
    I posted this post in the Old Knives sectioned, but felt that with all of Jack's hard work and most informative posts- that this Thread needs some viewing again, I just hope that this new Wade and butcher is decent enough to occupy this Thread, anyway here is the post.....

    Heres is a knife that may not stand out as a spectactular knife- but to me it is, here in New Zealand we do come across the odd Military Rope/Clasp Knife- and I just love seeing Jacks posts- as our Jack has a great deal of these- and man are they robust tough Knives- certainly ones to respect as having a great importance in the History of Man in Warfare.
    I saw this wade and Butcher Giant come up and I wanted it, this is a beat of a knife and considerably bigger than the "usual" Military issue Knife that we see, this guy is 5 inches closed and weighs a TON!
    On the Mark side it is stamped Wade &, Butcher, Sheffield, England. On the Pile side it has the Stampings of the circled B, the Arrow, then the Maltese Cross, with 1936 stamped underneath, now I am not too sure but suspect the 1936 is not a date but pattern- this comes up often- but I place this knife around this era.
    On the Marlin Spike it has the Ordnance Stamp and a 6, it would be great to find records as these numbers have meanings as into what particular unit etc these Knives may have been issued to..
    Bakelite Handles Im sure although I havent looked too much into this as of yet, Copper Bail as many of the WW issued Knife like this had.

    Boy...The guys in the day must have had Nails on their hands that could pull nails from planks- Strong Pull!!

    The Blade is nearly full, the snap will take your fingers of if caught in the wrong place- Whew! This is a great knife and I am glad to have it as there is not many of these around- that I have seen anyway - this is not to say they are not out there, but I doubt they are plentiful.
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    I took a photo of the Wade and Butcher with some of it's Cousins, Directly Below the Wade and Butcher ( Top Knife ). is a very early Stag Stamped: Harrison's,Brothers,&Howson, below the Harrisons is a Early Jigged Bone C. Johnson, Brothers ( I have rarely seen the full BROTHERS stamped with CJ Knives ), Below the C. Johnson is A Stag Handled very Early Encore which has a very busy stamped Ricasso.
    To the Right is a Horn handled Ibberson, below the Ibberson is a Nicely Main Blade Stamped I*XL.
    The knives to the left are a Ordnance Stamped Watts, Sheefield, and below the Watts is a Wraggs, Sheffield with the Copper Bail.
    Also is a genuine Lanyard from the WW2 days very kindly gifted to me by the one and only Jack Black!

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  2. leghog

    leghog

    Aug 10, 2013
    I've been looking for a WW2 vintage one hear. They're usually fairly expensive.
     
  3. Jack Black

    Jack Black Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 2, 2005
    What a treat to log on to on a Sunday morning :) Thank you my friend, I must confess to having neglected this old thread, as many of the older photos are now missing, and I certainly have many clasp knives I've not even photographed :oops: A lot of the text has also been scrambled by the forum software changes too :( That is a beautiful collection my friend, including several absolutely stunning knives :) Great W & B 6353 Pattern Duncan, and it looks to be in excellent condition. That knife was introduced in 1905, and not replaced until 1939, so it is generally referred to as the WW1 pattern, even though it was still produced and issued beyond that. Here's a H M Slater knife, of the same pattern, from 1938, with chequered buffalo horn covers :thumbsup:

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    Prices have gone up here a lot in the past few years. Before that, it was only the fact that there were so many produced, that kept prices relatively low I think. They are also often in poor condition, after seeing years of use and abuse as tool-box knives. I was looking through a box of them in an antique shop last week, and every one was broken in some way. A few of them could have been repaired, but I didn't think they were worth the price being asked.
     
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  4. leghog

    leghog

    Aug 10, 2013
    I'll find one and probably from a Canadian.
     
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  5. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Thanks Jack
    You asked in the Old Knives Thread if I was sure that the Knife was Composite as it may be Horn- Jack it could possibly be- the scales tend to have faded- and the fading looks to be the exact colouring of Bakelite when it has been exposed to Sun- but I didnt look into that too much- the knife weighs a ton- and Bakelite is extremely light, Buffalo Horn is not- so next time I pull the knife out- perhaps later this week I will have a closer look my friend, Thank you for the follow up information - MOST helpful once again Jack!
     
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  6. waynorth

    waynorth Dealer / Materials Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Nov 19, 2005
    That W&B is a Monster!! Wow!!*


    *Duncan, check your email!!
     
  7. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Charlie- That Wade and Butcher is a Handful for sure! The thing about this one is it is in really good condition- I am quite Rapt with this one!

    e-mailed you my friend
     
  8. Jack Black

    Jack Black Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 2, 2005
    The first time I came across one of these knives Duncan, a Joseph Rodgers, but in filthy condition, and spattered with paint, I assumed the scales were Bakelite, but they are actually horn, as they are on my other WW1 patterns, so you may get a nice surprise my friend :)

    It certainly is! :) :thumbsup:
     
  9. edbeau

    edbeau

    Jan 20, 2006
    I have been enjoying this thread for a while now. I have a few different marlin spike knives but I believe my Camillus ones are the only military issue. Two of my others have the shackle tool so I think the were make for folks that sail.

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  10. Jack Black

    Jack Black Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 2, 2005
    very nice Ed :thumbsup:
     
  11. edbeau

    edbeau

    Jan 20, 2006
    They cleaned up well.
     
  12. Jack Black

    Jack Black Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 2, 2005
    They certainly did :)
     
  13. Etchy

    Etchy

    55
    Sep 6, 2014
    Hello all
    I've not posted on here in absolutely ages (life rather gets in the way sometimes :().
    However lately i've picked up a few old military knives & it's rather stirred my interest again. Nice to see this old thread is still running.
    I got a Humphreys Radiant 3 piece from 1941, a 2 piece by D.C.C. from 1944 & an Admiralty pattern 301 alloy scale type. No date on that one but it's by Rodgers & is a big heavy beast.
    Cheers
    Dave :)
     
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  14. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Photo's Dave or it didnt happen :D
     
  15. Jack Black

    Jack Black Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 2, 2005
    Hi Dave, those sound great, hope we can get a look at them :) I have a small pile of 2 and 3 piece WW2 patterns I've been meaning to do something with since before Xmas :oops: :rolleyes:
     
  16. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    “Small Pile” lol I’m sure Jack.
     
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  17. Jack Black

    Jack Black Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 2, 2005
    You know me too well mate! :rolleyes: :D :thumbsup:
     
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  18. Etchy

    Etchy

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    Sep 6, 2014
    No worries, i'll see what I can do ;)
     
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  19. danno50

    danno50 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Apr 15, 2008
    I have three of these. Top is a Camillus, made for the Canadian navy, I believe? Next is a Wade & Butcher, in not very good condition. Finally, a John Milner & Co. All three knives are 4 7/8" closed length.
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  20. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    LOVE each and every one of those Dan- great Knives!
    Camillus Bone = Gorgeous! That Knife is a good one :thumbsup:

    What’s wrong with the W& B? looks great from here!
     

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