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Overbuilt folders : Yes or no?

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by patrickguignot, Sep 3, 2018.

  1. patrickguignot


    Sep 10, 2015
    I received mine. Thank you for the suggestion : it's a cool addition to my overbuild folders collection :)
    Some pics :



    And with the locking pin :

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  2. JokersFaceLifter


    Jan 6, 2016
    i think overbuilt folders have their place. there are times you cant carry a fixed blade, ill leave those scenarios up to you to imagine, and sometimes you need to perform a decently big cutting task that requires a stronger knife. if you were carrying a case slimline , you may not be able to take on that task, however if you gad a ZT 0350ts or something else it will not be a problem. all I'm saying is, big knives can make both big and small cuts(if you possess the grace and finesse to perform the task)
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  3. not2sharp

    not2sharp Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 29, 1999

    Which is the best screwdriver? How about the one best suited to the specific tasks. Variety is good, big, small, thick, thin, cheap, expensive, etc. just provides us with many more options.

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  4. whp


    Apr 26, 2009
    They don t add up. And we ve seen at least one company base much of the value of their knives on being overbuilt, even though
    the large majority of their knives are frame locks.
    Marketing does not have to be factual.
  5. not2sharp

    not2sharp Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 29, 1999
    Why so much hostility against the frame lock. I know about the recent spine whack videos where a few knives failed, but that's kind of a silly test that has little to do with real world usage. All folding locks fail. Especially the lock back variety, which tend to fail when materials build up on the locking slot or when an inappropriate grip pressure disengages the lock . There is nothing wrong with frame locks. Sometimes it is best to avoid both the marketing hype and the internet memes.

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  6. whp


    Apr 26, 2009
    I ve mentioned this before on these forums, but I couldn't resist bringing this back up after seeing your link.
    Years ago being very impressed with the AD10, I was able to hold one in hand and meet Andrew Demko At Blade. Fine knife! But none were available for sale. Then, about 3 years ago, I saw the Cold Steel Ultimate Hunter on line. Had some very good reviews , so I got one. When the 4 Max came out, it looked very similar to the UH in design. Then looking at your link to the AD10, I realized all three knives are very similar.
    I only have the Ultimate Hunter, but I m very impressed with the strength to weight ratio, the cts xhp blade, and the great ergonomics and comfort of the knife. If not overbuilt at that weight,, certainly hard use. And look at the price! I ve got a back up.
    Anyone interested might get one while there are still a few left with the cts xhp steel. The new ones with s35v will also be good, but maybe a downgrade.
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2018
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  7. Heartland_edc

    Heartland_edc Gold Member Gold Member

    May 4, 2015
    I literally just ordered a Medford Praetorian T in S90V steel from DLT... This knife will be way too big, way too heavy, way too thick behind the edge, and therefore, way under the peak performance of the S90V steel its made out of. Oh, and did I mention it was expensive? ...........

    ........ I don't care. I have too many practical knives. I like some crazy mixed in. Can't WAIT for that beautiful, ridiculous monster.
  8. Sedit

    Sedit Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 18, 2018

    AWESOME thread, I just ordered a XIO Alpha Mark 1 from the Facebook page.


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  9. tiguy7

    tiguy7 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 25, 2008
    C0CF9FEE-E33E-4042-819C-B3E5288C2A55.jpeg Big knives are OK.
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  10. Chris*33

    Chris*33 Gold Member Basic Member Gold Member

    Jan 16, 2017
    If there is a market for them it means that these designs do express some people's personality or, as another member suggested, appeal to our 'crazy' side. Personally, i look at a few models from Medford or the XM-24 and i cringe, but i do believe it has a lot to do with the overall design, and not necessarily on the 'overbuilt' feature. I've seen some beefy folders which carry a really appealing blade design so i naturally am drawn to them
  11. aue123

    aue123 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jul 10, 2018
    native 5 in 154/s90v is fairly stout.. I think it's a beautiful knife
  12. Sedit

    Sedit Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 18, 2018
    I agree it is a beautiful knife I just wouldn't call it overbuilt
  13. Icky Thump

    Icky Thump Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 8, 2011
    Gotta say yes. They have their place in the practical world. And, as an enthusiast..I can only speak for myself, but liken to motorcycles, aircraft and women...I can find something beautiful about every single one of them.

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  14. HwangJino


    Dec 2, 2012
    I'm not a fan of thick folders.

    I just need my folders to do normal tasks, not pry open car doors.
  15. sgt244

    sgt244 Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 15, 2010
    Heck yes! Why not!?

    The way I view knives is simple, there is a different knife that is a perfect knife for many different tasks however no 1 knife perfect for every task...

    That's what's great about the great "perfect knife" hunt / journey we all find ourselves on....

    Personally I've found my small sebenza 21 insingo to be the knife I've owned for many many years and still carry it today for EDC, I think out of all knives this has been my favorite and remains my favorite for EDC... for me it strikes the balance between ruggedness, ergonomics, and utility all in 1 package that can handle just about any EDC task it faces.
    The only other blade that I've had as long but havnt carried as much is the strider pt.

    They are both comparable in size, yet the sebenza has a much larger cutting edge, which is nice along with IMO a high quality of fit and finish all around.
    Still love the pt though.

    If I'm at work however, I like something larger and more rugged/tank of a knife, preferably with a glass breaker (as I've needed to use it in the past, and it came in clutch multiple times). That's when I carry something like a microtech socom elite, or Umnumzaan.

    Just my thought on the matter =]
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  16. GB940Rookie

    GB940Rookie Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 19, 2016
    I’ve been carrying the 4-MAX when doing yard work. It has performed very well. Better than a smaller, lighter knife. More convenient to carry than a 10” fixed blade. I’ve been looking for a reason to sell it and so far it’s hanging around.
    I carry in a pouch, belt carry.
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  17. skyhorse

    skyhorse Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 30, 2010
    My only regret with this old ZT0561 is not buying 2 of them. After all the years of carrying this pre lockbar insert version the action and lock up is still spot on with zero blade play.
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