Picture history of early CRK's

Discussion in 'Chris Reeve Knives' started by nickpp, Jan 31, 2017.

  1. bhyde

    bhyde UNNECESSARY EVIL Staff Member Super Mod Moderator

    Mar 19, 2002
    Nice to see you @Fooj - It's been awhile ;)
     
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  2. nickpp

    nickpp Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jun 11, 2005
    Great to see you Dave! Additional info added. This thread is supported by many of your great pictures..... Much appreciated!
     
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  3. Lapedog

    Lapedog

    Dec 7, 2016
    Do you know if the Lock 45 is what inspired the framelock of today? I believe there was another knife like this the OKC arrow came with a liner that locked at the top and bottom of the tang, rather than just the bottom. I believe the set up had lots of issues on the OKC.

    Were there issues with the Lock 45? What came first the lock 45 or the Reeve intergral lock?
     
  4. nickpp

    nickpp Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jun 11, 2005
    The Lock 45 pre dates the Frame lock that morphed into the Sebenza as we know it via several minor changes.

    The only issue that I'm aware of was the ability for the lock 45 to be over extended in the open position..... past the 180 degree mark. That was if the lock wasn't engaged at the 180 point.
    Ju Pengfei is one of the most knowledgeable guys I know of the early folders I'm sure he could better explain the transition and variations. He has both a lock 45 and a very early framelock, pre named Sebenza.
     
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  5. Lapedog

    Lapedog

    Dec 7, 2016
    So in a way the lock 45 did evolve into the framelock?
     
  6. nickpp

    nickpp Gold Member Gold Member

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    I hope most of the links are restored. If new oldies appear please add them to this thread.

    In time I’d like to do a similar thread for the OPKs. They are a PiTA to do and I’d need a lot of help with pics as I don’t have any myself now and only had a very limited collection years ago.....
     
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  7. laizhekezhui

    laizhekezhui Gold Member Gold Member

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    Apr 2, 2012
    I personally think the Lock 45 was later than Sebenza. I have both of them.
     
  8. nickpp

    nickpp Gold Member Gold Member

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    Ju are both dated? I was under the impression and quite probably wrongly that the Lock 45 and pre Sebenza framelock design were different options made by Chris around the same time whilst he was trying to make a reliable strong locking folder. It’s very interesting if he made the framelock then made and trialled the Lock 45 and went back to the Sebenza style framelock.
    Thanks for the knowledge:)
     
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  9. Lone_Wolfe

    Lone_Wolfe Dazed and Confused Platinum Member

    May 3, 2011
    This comes as a surprise to me too, and a very interesting one!
     
  10. blanco112

    blanco112 Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 1, 2016
    Thank you for going through and updating the links! Looks great.
     
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  11. laizhekezhui

    laizhekezhui Gold Member Gold Member

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    Apr 2, 2012
    The Lock 45 were hand made by Chris Reeve, about 20 pieces were made. I think Chris made two batches, a batch in South Africa and another batch in USA. I think Bill Harsey helped Chris heat treated the parts of the USA batch. I personally think the Lock 45 was later than the Sebenza. I have the original first run Sebenza (Titanium folder in South Africa), if you compare the completion degrees and details of them, you would never believe that Sebenza was made after Lock 45.
     
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  12. bart1

    bart1 Gold Member Gold Member

    May 24, 2009
    What a fertile mind Chris has... interesting that the Insigno blade shape is one of his earliest, and has for sure withstood the test of time!Thanks so much for all of these examples for us to see!
     
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  13. Dickie D

    Dickie D

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    Jan 1, 2007
    When Chris's UK dealer was spending time with Chris back in late 2016 the subject of the lock 45 came up and Chris was quite adamant that he only made 14 this was around 1984 and he also stated he had difficultly in selling them. I also believe the vine leaf pattern on each knife is different.
     
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  14. nickpp

    nickpp Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jun 11, 2005
    Hi Richard. Good to get your insight! Hope your keeping well!
     
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  15. laizhekezhui

    laizhekezhui Gold Member Gold Member

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    Apr 2, 2012
    Hi Dickie, my Lock 45 has original birthday card, mine was made in 1990. And as I known he made two batches, because I have seen two with different shape but with the same number, and I have seen the #13, it means at least 13 pieces made of that batch, that's why I thought he made about 20 pieces. I have the 1988 original South African Sebenza, from the details of the lock bar and other parts, I can't believe the Lock 45 earlier than Sebenza.
     
  16. Steven65

    Steven65 Traditional Hog Platinum Member

    Mar 11, 2008
    I'm sorry Dickie but he is wrong. Chris made them post '88.
     
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  17. nickpp

    nickpp Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jun 11, 2005
    Recent addition......

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    Reunited with its sister from many years back. I believe these were made shortly after Chris and CRKs moved to the US.

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  18. laizhekezhui

    laizhekezhui Gold Member Gold Member

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    Apr 2, 2012
    Thank u Steven.

    1. I have seen two Lock 45's with the same number 2, and two Lock 45's with the same number 7, so we can know Chris made two batches, one batch in South Africa, and another batch in USA (Bill Harsey confirmed he helped Chris heat treated some parts);
    Sal Glesser's Lock 45 is number 2: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/sal-glessers-chris-reeve-lock-45.685950/
    The DVD (The Exquisite Blade -- The Legend Of Chris Reeve Knives part2 59:22) shows the Reeve family's Lock 45 also with number 2:

    2. I have seen a Lock 45 with number 13, it looks like belongs the USA batch, and the owner said he bought that one in 1991, it means the USA batch at least 13 pieces made, as I said before I have seen two with the same number 7, so we can know Chris made at least 20 pieces;
    3. My Lock 45 has original birth card which says made in 1990, and as I said before the #13's owner bought his in 1991, it makes sense to put these two points together, so we can say the USA batch made circa 1990, and Anne told me Chris made all Lock 45's pre 1991;
    4. Steven said Lock 45 made post 1988, I have a Titanium folder (Sebenza predecessor) made in 1988, from the details of them, I think the Lock 45 was made after the Titanium folder, so I think Steven is right;
    5. To summarize, we can say Chris made two batches of Lock 45 in the years 1988 to 1991, one batch (at least 7 pieces) in South Africa post 1988, and the another batch (at least 13 pieces) in USA;

    I'm going to write a complete document about Lock 45, all conclusions will be supported by sufficient evidence.

    @Dickie D @nickpp @Steven65
     
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  19. nickpp

    nickpp Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jun 11, 2005
    Thanks Ju! It’s been a while since I watched that video, the dates and numbers are revealing!
     
  20. Dickie D

    Dickie D

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    Jan 1, 2007
    Thanks all, just telling as Chris told Frank his UK dealer, it is confusing that he made 2 batch's and numbered them the same!

    That will be very interesting and thanks for taking the time in doing it.
     

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