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Requesting Gareth Bull Shamwari Advice

Discussion in 'FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!' started by mdswithers, May 12, 2018.

  1. Lance Leon

    Lance Leon Gold Member Gold Member

    May 3, 2017
    Decide to keep your money for non-shady makers*
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  2. craytab

    craytab Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    This. I don't get why people get upset at not being able to give their money over to someone with character issues.
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  3. Victorian Squid

    Victorian Squid Gold Member Gold Member

    May 9, 2017
    First, tell me about how you've never done really stupid stuff when you were a kid. A lot of knife makers I know - and most creative types (myself included) do dumb stuff. Some just dumber than others. And not necessarily malicious. Yeah, I've heard it all. I also know Gareth and Jason, and am happy to cut them some slack. It's hard to run your own business when you've got no idea how, all the while still being a crazy kid. At least they've attempted to turn things around, do things "by the book" and fulfill agreements. Heck, they're almost timely now! A good friend just got his dress sham this last fall after 2 years. Either you deal with it or don't. There's plenty of makers out there who say "You're up, 2 weeks" and that's how it is.

    If the rest of the SA community can forgive, I'd think you could as well. I've talked in my group about just why G & J would want to do a production knife, since the price difference isn't that great and it could eventually affect their own knives. All we can figure out is that they probably make more money lending their name out. Sort of like how Brian Nadeau gave up on making customs and went full Reate. I also can't think of an "in demand" production knife that had a seamless first launch. There's been quite a few that went just like this. I actually thought it was hysterical that it went exactly like one of their own drops. Just sit back and enjoy it, or wait to buy on the secondary. There will be plenty, rest assured. People will buy one because of the hype, then notice they've never used a front flipper, and don't like them.

    Personally, I don't get the hype train. Just like Holt Specters going for $8k on auction. In the end, it's just a nice $700 CNC production knife. You can dress it up, but it doesn't make it better. I'd rather own a Black Snow and an Efros and have beer and pizza for a year. I love Joe and Angie, but this irks me more about the community than most makers. Some guys take a month to build an incredible knife, and might sell it for $2-4k depending on materials. The Shamwari in the end is really just a $600-800 front flipper. Possibly one of the nicest actions out there, but that's it. I sold 2 of my shams, kept one (boomerang CF liner lock), and they've made me one with some gorgeous wood I gave Jason at Blade last year. Sadly, they've not been able to ship with the lockdown in effect. There's so many on the secondary though, I'm hard pressed to figure out why anybody would want a WE copy. Jason has an incredible knack for tuning knives, I don't see how it's possible - I sure haven't seen it yet.

    Also remember, a lot of these guys will be hurting thanks to Blade moving. They count on the sales they'd make in a few days. Many have been making knives like crazy since fall, expecting to sell for top dollar at Blade. Even worse, they count on the materials, since customs screws them - if they can get the materials. That's why I (and friends) supply our maker friends with everything we can. I could go on and on with horror stories, but will spare you! :) If they cancel Blade in August - and TBH I have no idea why they did that instead of just telling people to go to Blade West in 2 months - a lot of these guys will be in trouble. Many already won't be able to make the new schedule. Plus, Blade East in August is 3 weeks away from the USN Gathering, and I can tell you which I'd rather be at.




    3.3" Shamwari, gray mango wood, damascus collar and M390.
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  4. rxavage


    Aug 16, 2014

    That’s a very pretty knife
  5. OMCHamlin


    Oct 10, 2000
    Okay, okay... truth? I mostly come to Blade Forum to cruise Feedback and watch this kind of stuff. It's like watching a digitized, remastered Hindenburg crash every visit. How can people be so mesmerized by a crap sack of a knife maker that they literally go into a zombie like trance over the notion of the opportunity to be literally raped by said "maker"? How can the mere act of gazing upon a custom knife render some people instantly lobotomized?
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  6. Peter Hartwig

    Peter Hartwig Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 29, 2008
    I have never dealt directly with the man, but I do like the Shamwari-very clean look to it. I seemed to be drawn to these makers of bad repute. Maybe something for my shrink to work out:)
    Last edited: May 28, 2020
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  7. Lance Leon

    Lance Leon Gold Member Gold Member

    May 3, 2017
    I can forgive almost everything Bull has done in the past. The delays and build issues are understandable. Things happen, and it’s not an uncommon with custom makers. But I can’t excuse not communicating with buyers - at least tell them there will be a delay or change of plans and just not go dark for months. I personally don’t feel that a good knife makes up for bad experience with a maker. That said, you’re free to buy from whomever you please.

    And Brian Nadeau didn’t give up on customs. He has been/still is making them. Just saying.
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  8. Steven65

    Steven65 Traditional Hog Platinum Member

    Mar 11, 2008
    I have a close friend here in South Africa that has been waiting 8 years for a pre-paid knife.
    This guy was a friend of Gareth's and helped him design and market his knives in the early days. Although Gareth has had repeated requests to rectify this matter he has never made this knife or refunded my friend.

    When I saw Gareth (in person) at the Cape Knifemakers Guild Show in 2017 I specifically asked him to make our friend whole and he promised me unreservedly that he would.
    To date.......no response, no contact, no attempt to rectify the matter.

    Gareth saw me and many other South African's at the Blade Show last year. All he had to do was walk up to me and say
    "Steve, please arrange to get this cash to our friend that I owe a knife to" or simply give me one of the knives off his table to deliver in compensation.
    He did neither preferring to sell everything for cash and pocket it.

    My friend is still out his knife and cash after 8 years.

    As for the South African's forgiving him........Gareth has been thrown out of the Knifemakers Guild of South Africa for taking peoples money and not delivering knives. They will not have him back.

    I do not know one single serious South African collector who owns his knives or wants them.
    No-one I know will take a chance and order one for fear of either getting screwed in a prepayment scam or getting delivered some sub-standard piece of trash.
    He only can sell his knives outside South Africa because of his local reputation.
    Even well known International dealers who sell a lot of South African knives refuse to do business with him because of his reputation.

    Eventually you, and apologists like you will come here to complain after you get screwed.
    Then you will say........
    "I supported him, how could he do this to me?? Please help me get my money back!"

    You have been warned.
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  9. Lance Leon

    Lance Leon Gold Member Gold Member

    May 3, 2017
    Well that's a new one. 8 years is a lot harder to overlook than the ~2 years I'd heard about in the past.
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  10. craytab

    craytab Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    I can confidently say I never did this in my youth:

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  11. braillediver

    braillediver Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 6, 2007
    The direct connection between a knife makers skill, craftsmanship, integrity and scruples are inseparable to me.
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  12. Quiet

    Quiet "That guy" Platinum Member

    Oct 11, 2013
    BLEEP BLEEP Defender Drone detected.
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  13. Steven65

    Steven65 Traditional Hog Platinum Member

    Mar 11, 2008
    As a result of my previous post Gareth e-mailed me yesterday telling me that he was going to contact my friend and resolve this.

    He did and today he refunded him..........it only took 8 years.

    I want to make it clear that this in no way absolves Gareth of his larcenous behaviour and I told him so in my reply. Frankly he should be ashamed that he essentially stole money from a friend only refunding him after 2900 days because of pressure brought to bear here on BF.

    I have no ill will towards Gareth but his behaviour in the past speaks volumes.

    I say it again............you have been warned.
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  14. Punisher252


    May 12, 2014
    I'm glad your friend finally got his money back. Gareth should also have sent him the knife as well as a refund after 8 years.
    THAT would have been the right thing to do.
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  15. utahsam

    utahsam Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 8, 2015
    Meh...people “grow up” at all different ages. If this is a turning point for Mr. Bull, it will take years of consistency but he can earn a better reputation through his actions.
  16. JohnWE


    Dec 7, 2013

    EVERY thief has an apologist...every one of them.
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