Sharpening, if you combined all you now know, what would you tell yourself if...

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  1. tommytman

    tommytman

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    Aug 12, 2019
    I should have bought a wicked edge and been done. But I only invested in a sharpmaker to date so no big loss.
     
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  2. Airborne 1

    Airborne 1

    932
    Apr 23, 2014
    Relax.
     
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  3. Troutzill

    Troutzill Gold Member Gold Member

    113
    Dec 2, 2009
    I would tell myself one word

    APEX

    I took me years to learn this, despite watching videos and reading BF
     
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  4. bgentry

    bgentry

    Aug 3, 2009
    I had this same thought about 5 or 6 years ago. I came up with 2 things... no 3! Very important things. Then I thought about it for another week and kept coming up with more things. Eventually I had 7 things that I thought were really important. I started calling them my 7 secrets of sharpening. Eventually I wrote them up and posted them here.

    I'm always torn by this kind of thing. Because, on the one hand, I think the formal description of these things is really good and can be helpful. But reading my seven secrets article, it seems like sharpening is complicated and fiddly. But it's not. In a way I've overcomplicated it. I think someone already said this here but I'll paraphrase something that's been said many times:

    Make full length burr on one side. Go to the other side and make a full length burr. Remove the burr completely from both sides.

    That's sharpening in a nutshell. If you do that correctly, your blade will be sharp.

    Brian.
     
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  5. David Martin

    David Martin Moderator Moderator Gold Member

    Apr 7, 2008
    That ^ makes more sense than the 7. DM
     
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  6. kvaughn

    kvaughn Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 28, 2005
    Been freehand sharpening for 60+ years.
    Learn how to maintain an angle.
    Understand the difference in a good using edge and a mirror polished hair popping edge and what you need on your knife for its intended purpose.
    If you have to practically re-grind a knife to get the edge you want, you probably bought the wrong knife.--KV
     
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  7. afishhunter

    afishhunter Basic Member Basic Member

    Oct 21, 2014
    I'd tell myself: "Good Luck. You're going to be doing a lot of reprofiling by hand."

    NOTE: 60 years ago, I was taught: "A knife should have a 20° inclusive angle. Axes and hatchets should be 30° to 40 degrees inclusive."
    Those were the "standards" back then. I still sharpenìng my knives (excluding my Puukko's, They're between 25° to 35° inclusive, I think) to 20° inclusive.

    Most knife companies from what I've read here, are providing an axe like/suitable 30° to 40° inclusive angle now ... or even greater inclusive angle to about 60° these days.
    I think I saw a knife that was a "dull axe" 45° per side or 90 degrees inclusive. :( (Forever will I pass on that one.)
     
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  8. 000Robert

    000Robert Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 28, 2020
    I DID buy a Wicked Edge - I'm done. :cool:
     
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  9. mjninc

    mjninc

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    Jan 14, 2020
    Are you glad you did it? Do you have any recommendations about buying a Wicked Edge?

    I wonder if most people total up all they spent, if they've spent enough to get a Wicked Edge.
     
  10. Craig James

    Craig James

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    Oct 30, 2018
    I bought a cheap stone, double sided and didn’t know enough to get a knife sharp. A couple of years later I revisited sharpening and found this forum.

    After that my first stone was a DMT coarse. I practised and was actually able to get a knife sharp (£60). My next stone was a chosera 800(£65). I was able to to get my knives further refined and I love that stone to this day. I then got a couple of hand made strops and some 3/2 diamond paste (£35) and suddenly was able to deburr much more effectively than before. Add a coarse silicon carbide stone and a King 6000 (£65) and I am now getting extremely satisfactory edges for kitchen use. I leave my butchers knives off the chosera and my slicers off the king. There is still a lot to learn but at this moment in time I am satisfied and glad I have wasted no more money than that £20 piece of crap I picked up off Amazon
     
  11. 000Robert

    000Robert Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 28, 2020
    Yes, I'm very happy with it. They have different models and everything. I guess it just depends on the needs of the person buying one. I have the WE130 because I don't like the idea of having the clamp high off of the table like the Gen3 Pro. Plus, I can grind asymmetrical angles with it.
    I would imagine that most of even the hand sharpeners have more into their stones than a Pro Pack III costs. But to each their own. I hand sharpened my knives my whole life until I bought my WE130 recently.
    I couldn't even find a photo online or anything about my Hall's Pro Edge Wet Hone system that I bought 30 or 40 years ago. It has a coarse, medium, and fine stones that I can rotate in the case. The stones are 2 3/8" X 11 1/8".
    I also have a DuoSharp Diamond stone that I bought a long time ago. I don't remember what I paid for them.
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  12. Eli Chaps

    Eli Chaps Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Apr 20, 2018
    I am absolutely not disparaging the WE. It is a fine system for sure.

    But on the flip side, for maybe $200 you could open up an entire world of sharpening through the freehand avenue.
     
  13. 000Robert

    000Robert Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 28, 2020
    I do believe that it's a good idea for newbies to learn how to freehand sharpen. It will teach you a lot. And I still freehand the tiny spey blades in my pocket knives. Then when you want perfect grinds at just about any angle on either side, you can move onto a mechanical system. And I wanted one that did not require electricity.
    I watched many videos and read many threads and articles before I decided on the WE130. And after taking everything into consideration, I just don't see how the WE130 can be beat. The only thing that I can think of right now that would improve on it would be to get the stones already broken in. It takes some work breaking them in.
     
  14. mjninc

    mjninc

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    Jan 14, 2020
    Thank you for your reply! I'm curious, how would you spend that $200 and what would you do? Thanks again.
     
  15. Eli Chaps

    Eli Chaps Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Apr 20, 2018
    See Post #18. ;)
     
  16. Tjstampa

    Tjstampa Gold Member Gold Member

    337
    Mar 25, 2019
    I will repeat the sharpie and I use a loupe to see what I have done. My biggest regret is buying a flatting plate instead of loose silicon carbide for what little resurfacing I do. Also wish I found this forum long before I did.
     
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  17. solman

    solman Gold Member Gold Member

    148
    Nov 19, 2014
    I started with few flat sharpening stones but I was never satisfied with the results I got. It was mostly a confidence thing and worry about consistent angles. I realize now that I was being too critical.
    I have sharpened with the Wicked edge system and I also have the edge pro Apex. I like and use them both .
    All are good for sharpening knives. Pick what you want and stick with it until you get good at it. Start with a cheap knife or two and when you get the hang of it you can move on to your better knives.
    A guided system makes the learning curve easier but cost more money.
     
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  18. Bill1170

    Bill1170

    Dec 20, 2007
    Coarse bench stones are fast and efficient for reprofiling and repairing damage. Also, don’t leave the coarser grit until you reach the apex. I used to move too soon to higher grits; I learned better.
     
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  19. DeadboxHero

    DeadboxHero Triple B Handmade, Custom Knives Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Mar 22, 2014
    I have been a knife sharpener for over 10 years, I'd sum it up like this.

    It's user, not the tools, but the fancy stuff becomes more enjoyable the more experienced and discerning you become. Life is short, time is money.
    Overtime, you'll want specific features enhanced and synergized so you'll seek out tools and products that accentuate ones desires.

     
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  20. Lone_Wolfe

    Lone_Wolfe Dazed and Confused Platinum Member

    May 3, 2011
    "Just pony up for the TSProf now, instead of buying and losing money on every other system that you won't like!".
     
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