Since he asked so nice, I made him one

Discussion in 'Custom & Handmade Knives' started by AVigil, Dec 14, 2019.

  1. AVigil

    AVigil Adam Vigil knifemaker working the grind Platinum Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    I have been concentrating on making slipjoint knives over the last year. Turned down several fixed blade orders due to that.

    Well it must have been the Holiday spirit because I ended up making this client a Ronin Tanto.

    This is in .196" AEB-L 62 Rockwell, liquid nitrogen cryo quench. 7" blade 11.75" OAL.

    Handle has a carbon fiber strand under wrap, black ito cord and hard core Turkshead knot all impregnated with high impact, food safe resin from Polymer Composites.

    Thanks for looking

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  2. Dawkind

    Dawkind Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Apr 3, 2000
    Great job my friend....:)
     
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  3. KamSingh

    KamSingh

    790
    Jan 9, 2006
    plagiarism

    noun
    the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own​
     
  4. JParanee

    JParanee Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    Kam

    come on buddy please

    I enjoy your posts and want to see more of them

    just please take it easy

    there are ways to make thought producing posts with out drawing blood :)

    it will escalate and no good will come of it

    Phill was and is an old dear friend and there are so many people doing this genre that it’s akin to loveless designs

    I like thought provoking posts and I know you don’t like to cloud your words but maybe the question....thoughts on using another’s design as a homage would of been more tactful

    just want to not see anyone get banned because I like you here



    thank you sir

    Adam nice knife
     
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  5. Natlek

    Natlek

    Jun 9, 2015
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  6. KamSingh

    KamSingh

    790
    Jan 9, 2006
    @Natlek The one where you send me the link to the Chinese Dropbox with hundreds of stolen designs and then joke about ripping off a makers work??

    That one?
     
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  7. KamSingh

    KamSingh

    790
    Jan 9, 2006
    @JParanee Understood brother, will try to take a gentler approach, unless of course I get banned in the meantime. :D
     
  8. KamSingh

    KamSingh

    790
    Jan 9, 2006
    @JParanee For clarity, my reason for posting is because this is an almost exact copy of a Tendick Kwaiken. Hartsfield has a very different style recognised by his almost exclusive use of straight lines.
     
  9. AVigil

    AVigil Adam Vigil knifemaker working the grind Platinum Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    Oh that is hysterical, I have been making this style for 7 years LOL.
    I knew Phill Hartsfield and he is my inspiration, most people who have been paying attention know that.
     
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  10. KamSingh

    KamSingh

    790
    Jan 9, 2006
  11. AVigil

    AVigil Adam Vigil knifemaker working the grind Platinum Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    Lets squash ignorance. Phill Hartsfield work has been a huge influence on me. I knew the man, went to his shop and always chatted him up at knife shows.

    Here is the inspiration for this blade. This picture is directly out of Phill Hartsfield catalog.

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  12. KamSingh

    KamSingh

    790
    Jan 9, 2006
    Which blade are you referring to?

    Weren't all of Phil's knives chisel ground down to a zero edge?

    I have no problem if you consciously or sub consciously took some design cues from makers who are now leading the trend, just acknowledge it and give credit is all I ask as it diminishes his or her progress in the field if you don't and in some case encourages plagiarism.
     
  13. not2sharp

    not2sharp Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 29, 1999
    Perhaps all three of them borrowed from Neely’s work with Timberline. This style has been around. I don’t think can lay claim to the design, just the execution.

    n2s
     
  14. JParanee

    JParanee Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    THANK YOU :)

    I love this genre and I appreciate all good conversation on it

    Let’s not get anyone banned its X Mas

    I have the same catalog and that Eagle Menuki Katana was like a pin up girl for me
     
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  15. JParanee

    JParanee Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2006

    Phill was and is the grandfather of this genre with out a doubt

    Ive known all of them for decades

    If anyone else can lay any claim to the amercanized ......is that a word
    :) tanto it would be Lum
     
  16. Scott Hanson

    Scott Hanson Moderator Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Sep 6, 2014
    Very nice knife Adam, I always enjoy seeing your work.
     
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  17. AVigil

    AVigil Adam Vigil knifemaker working the grind Platinum Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    That would have been a real surprise to Phill Hartsfield. LOL


    For those who are interested here is some of Phills work.
    No, Phill did not only do chisel grinds
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  18. AVigil

    AVigil Adam Vigil knifemaker working the grind Platinum Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    I have many many many times have given credit for Phills influence in my work.
    You need to apologize.

    Ben Tendick is a brother in knifemaking and we have shared information before on these blades, but I do not look to him for inspiration in my Hartsfield style work.
     
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  19. KamSingh

    KamSingh

    790
    Jan 9, 2006
    I was referring to his tantos of most of which do have a straight spine. Ben's seem to sweep up more on some of his models. From a distance they all look the same but when you look closely the differences become apparent and it seems most of your inspiration is leaning towards Ben's way of doing things as opposed to Phil's original vision.
     
  20. JParanee

    JParanee Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    I was the one that asked Ben to add some Sori :)

     
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