Since he asked so nice, I made him one

Discussion in 'Custom & Handmade Knives' started by AVigil, Dec 14, 2019.

  1. AVigil

    AVigil Adam Vigil knifemaker working the grind Platinum Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    You are just wrong.

    Have you even held a real Hartsfield in your hand? I have many times. That "straight spine" was on his Kwaiken, Strong boy and sometimes on the aikuchi.

    The Sori has been around for thousands of years, not just the last several years from Oregon. LOL
     
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  2. KamSingh

    KamSingh

    790
    Jan 9, 2006
    @JParanee A man of great taste!

    Can anyone else agree this a much more interesting conversation than just "nice knife" fifteen times? It seems the mods are intent on sucking the fun out of this forum as my infractions are growing so we'll be back to kumbaya pretty soon.
     
  3. JParanee

    JParanee Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    kam your a smart dude just keep it civil

    The mods have a tough job and Lorien this forums mod is a great guy and cares more than any of us deserve

    I love the thought provoking stuff just be kind

    Trust me
     
  4. Sharp & Fiery

    Sharp & Fiery Always Embellish Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    May 14, 2012
    So Phill invented the tanto? Is this what im getting? (Head shaking)

    ETA: ^no one said this as @JParanee pointed out. I apologize.

    Knives and knife shapes have been around for centuries...its only in this day of age that someones ideas can be attacked. Who cares.
    The more the merrier. Soon...there will be no new knifemakers because all the shapes will have been taken!!
    People need to remember that all these new knives are because some older well established maker taught the new guy how to make knives. Usually of their design...for free!!
    Chris didnt patent the RIL. Gave it away to every maker..for free!! This is one example.

    There are only so many steels, and so many handle materials and blade shapes to be used. Jeez.
    Give the guy a break.

    By the way, not my style of knife...but excellent job!!!
     
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  5. Sharp & Fiery

    Sharp & Fiery Always Embellish Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    May 14, 2012
    I apologize if my previous post seems harsh.
    But seriously...

    Merry Christmas Everyone!!
     
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  6. JParanee

    JParanee Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2006

    No one said that so you can shake your head till you get a better understanding and do some research that Hartsfield and Lum brought this American version to the forefront

    Emerson was than inspired by Phil’s chisel grinds

    No Phill did not invent tanto or chisel grinds but he was one of the first to promote it in this country with his designs

    I’m not guessing at this stuff
     
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  7. JParanee

    JParanee Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2006

    Not harsh

    Wrong
     
  8. AVigil

    AVigil Adam Vigil knifemaker working the grind Platinum Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    Of course not.

    He he did pioneer the resin soaked cord handle and rougher finish tanto with a bead blasted finish.

    While Phill took his to a 50 grit, mine was taken to a 400 grit and glass bead blasted.
     
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  9. Sharp & Fiery

    Sharp & Fiery Always Embellish Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    May 14, 2012
    I again apologize...i was not attacking Phil at all. Was just pointing out that tantos and wrapped cord handles have been around for a long while.
    Not my intention to attack any makers, actually the complete opposite.
    I have a lot of respect for knifemakers, just not crybabies.
     
  10. Sharp & Fiery

    Sharp & Fiery Always Embellish Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    May 14, 2012
    @AVigil

    My original post was meant to defend you. I dont know you, but i do know that you didnt post saying “look at this knife I design and came up with all on my own!”
    I don’t feel like you need to give credit to someone else’s design, especially when you were such good friends with Phil.
    Anyhow, I’m sorry if I overstepped any boundaries.
     
  11. JParanee

    JParanee Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2006

    Who is a crybaby ?

    I think you just dont understand what this conversation is about

    Adam makes a very nice version of a Hartsfield style Kwaiken

    Kam made a comment that Adam should give credit to his inspiration which by the way he has done for years which is Phill

    Kam made the comment that it was more Tendick like because of the Sori

    This is all splitting hairs and any knife including Bens fantastic work in this genre that looks like the above knives are inspired by Hartsfield and if you do not know that you do not know the history of this genre

    Please take no offense
     
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  12. Sharp & Fiery

    Sharp & Fiery Always Embellish Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    May 14, 2012
    No offence taken at all. :)

    I have much to learn.

    However, crying out that some style is someone else’s bothers me when it could have been said “hey that looks like so and so’s” instead of “plagiarism!!”
     
  13. JParanee

    JParanee Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2006

    Kam and Adam got off on the wrong foot on another thread and it spilled over to here which is a shame

    I agree it’s X Mas and we all should be positive and thankful

    There are many makers making knives in this genre now and I’m very happy they are

    Adam beautiful knife and great work
     
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  14. Sharp & Fiery

    Sharp & Fiery Always Embellish Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    May 14, 2012
    Adam’s work is beautiful. I agree.
    And it was nice of him to take on a fixed blade for a customer at this holiday season.
    Sorry i stirred the pot...i will retreat from this thread with my tail between my legs.

    Just know that i have utmost respect for you @JParanee and @AVigil
     
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  15. JParanee

    JParanee Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2006

    The same to you my friend
     
  16. Ben Seward

    Ben Seward Full-time Bladesmith/Part-time Idiot

    Jun 28, 2012
    Btw, nice knife, Adam. No way would I have mistaken that for a Tendick. My personal preference would have been for the swedge grind to coordinate with the other grind...or would that make it look like someone else's work. C'mon, guys, a Kwaiken is a Kwaiken is a Kwaiken. They're gonna resemble!!
     
  17. AVigil

    AVigil Adam Vigil knifemaker working the grind Platinum Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    Speaking of Bob Lum, he was a master of design and My "LT Tanto" is "Lum Tribute Tanto"

    This entire blade was inspired from Bobs work

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  18. Sharp & Fiery

    Sharp & Fiery Always Embellish Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    May 14, 2012
    Exactly what i was trying to say. Lol. You found a way to say it eloquently. :D
     
  19. BenR.T.

    BenR.T. Tanto grinder & High performance blade peddler Moderator

    Apr 18, 2011
    Cool knives.:cool:
     
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  20. Pavlos

    Pavlos

    99
    Apr 20, 2013
    Adam, I love your knives, and you are a very gifted maker.

    Wish I could make knives of you caliber.
    Paul
     
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