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Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

Discussion in 'FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!' started by ncrockclimb, Sep 27, 2018.

  1. sharp thoughts

    sharp thoughts Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 24, 2000
    Bingo. Just another scam to generate fast cash. This bogus crap keeps repeating itself over and over.
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  2. stonesell

    stonesell Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 20, 2009
    I still think of them as the “Bonnie & Clyde” of our knife enthusiast culture. I don’t trust anything that they say or do.
    If they don’t stop all of the scamming, and immediately fulfill all of the back orders, I hope that they lose all customer support.
    sharp thoughts likes this.
  3. Andy the Aussie

    Andy the Aussie Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jan 29, 2010
    .....and I presume that they want full payment up front ? Not a nominal $1-10 place holding deposit ? If they want the $s now it is indicative (not definitive of course) that the cash flow (lack thereof) issue is biting. If not, and you still had all those pre-payments in the bank to fund those knives already paid for, you would get much closer to being caught up and your reputation in a better place (ie "We had a crappy few years but here we are caught up and if you order NOW your knife WILL be delivered withing 3 weeks" or similar). But no...we need $s now and you will give them to us on the basis that sometime down the road, maybe two or three years, we will maybe send you a knife....or it may be four years...we really can't be sure.....

    Are the buying public this stupid ? Will there be a large enough influx of new "pre-orders" to save them till the merchant finally wants his pound of flesh again ?
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2018
  4. gonebad395

    gonebad395 Ironworker!

    May 19, 2015
    Well now that they are gone here they only have Facebook, Instagram, and their website to promote on. So suckering new customers will get a lot easier for them since they can censor all comments made on those platforms. This company is a scam nothing more the owners know what they are doing and are ok with it. The best thing we can do here is keep reviving their name to keep thier true colors top of page on google. It’s a shame but one day people will hit up their website or call their shop and it will all be gone like a fart in the wind. Happy to see that they and their groupies were shut down here.
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  5. gsx-rboy750


    Jul 3, 2014
    Haha. I remember 3 to 4 years ago wanting a SK and quicklt realizing after reading their website for 3 mins that they are scammers.

    Nothing has ever made sense with there production or whatnot.

    I and many other got chewed out for questioning some logical questions. Honestly the fuck boy fan boys are the ones that ennabled it to get out of control.
    I had made a chopper and was using it and posted some pics on the IG and a fan boy accused me of coping the gso12. A drawing that was not even made. Or even posted untill months after i was cutting down trees. Those fanboys are as much to blame.
    I do owe it to SK for me starting to make knives. Amazing I drew, machined and finished my first 3V knife in 2 montha start to finish....
  6. bhyde

    bhyde UNNECESSARY EVIL Staff Member Super Mod Moderator

    Mar 19, 2002

    This isn't whine and cheese; This is a family friendly forum, so please edit the vulgar language.
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  7. jbmonkey

    jbmonkey Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jun 9, 2011
    exactly what I was thinking. in my business scratch and dent from poor handling equipment is a very small percentage of first rate. otherwise manuf, distr. and dealers would be out of business.

    I think it's a scam too. seems the amount of the 2nds they sell are just their normal knives. sold as seconds sure seems made up. as where are the firsts the flawed seconds came from? pretty rotten as no one can complain on flaws and poor quality, if they bought it as a second. seems people waiting on firsts are funding the making of "seconds"/ normal knives. obviously Im speculating without any first hand knowledge, but I do know something stinks very badly here.

    I feel bad for those being duped, but their grown folks so if they are okay with.....so be it.
  8. mlmcasual


    Jun 10, 2013
    As bad as the 2nds conspiracy theory is Optically, the most egregious thing I have yet seen is the recent adding a 13 th MODEL (GSO 4.5) behind...
    When SK said they they would NOT be adding new preorders until their backlog was cleared.
    Just think about that for a second, now 13 distinct prepaid models not even counting all the 2nds, 100% pay up front type models not delivered when they are only able to complete 1~2 models a year. Do the math...
    The most egregious part, though is this,
    " The GSO-4.5 is about to begin production. "
    That right there IMO is the smoking gun proof that SK is actively and knowingly running a Ponzi Fraud Scheme. Someone new, would not know that SK counts just ordering parts as part of their "production" and they start the claim of "production" the moment they just order the raw materials or cutting out some blanks and leaving on a shelf indefinably. Their wording is and has been beyond a shadow of a doubt deceptive. Their "finishing stages" alone can drag on for over a year on particular model. Also, while they claim they don't provide delivery dates, they do claim "check production schedule for estimation of completion dates". By their own verbiage and claim, they refer to their production schedule as a consumer guide for completion dates. That means by law, if their "production schedule" shows sign of deception.. THEY are showing deception. A 1rst year prosecutor would eat them alive right there for offering an estimation of completion date that can EASILY be shown to be deceptive. WHY a prosecutor has not taken this on is beyond me.. probably overbooked with too many other cases.

    Speaking of reputation, lets see how the BBB, Better Business Bureau rates Suvive knives.
    Per BBB...
    Pattern of Complaint
    On July 18, 2018, BBB recognized a pattern of complaints from consumers regarding delivery schedule. Consumers allege they order and pay for products from Survive! Knives’ online store, and after several years they have not received their products. On July 18, 2018, BBB notified the company of the complaint patter. To date, the company has not responded to BBB's request to address the pattern.
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2018
  9. Barrettboy

    Barrettboy Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 20, 2016
    And good God, they have 23 CUSTOM OPTIONS for this knife. Surely with the mountain of problems these guys have had, wouldn't they want to keep any run as simple as possible??
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  10. ponykid


    Sep 14, 2015
    starting work on these next month !! "no guarantee of completion date" so don't bug us three years from now when you still don't have the knife ok?

    Mind boggling. join the pre-order and put some cash down and join the Survive family please?
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  11. murderedsongbird


    Apr 12, 2006
    I can confirm. I have a second and don’t really understand why it wasn’t sent as a 1st. I bought it before I knew everything that was going on with them. Received it after about 8 or so months. It’s a great knife, but I’d never order from them again.
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  12. BBuser


    Sep 4, 2016
    I want to point out some good things, I could name a couple but the recent 4.5 announcement....jeez.
    A year has gone by without orders and there is are almost 4 year old orders. Wasn't the 7/7 named in honor of deceased friend? Some honor after 3 years.

    Who was the guy ridiculed or banned off the forum a couple years ago, I forget? He kept saying the same things many have said lately. Herd mentality runs deep.
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  13. Elgatodeacero

    Elgatodeacero Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 5, 2014
    Im ordering 50 of these before you guys get ahead of me in line, then ima flip em all for big bucks....
  14. knarfeng

    knarfeng senex morosus moderator Staff Member Super Mod Moderator

    Jul 30, 2006
    Banned for repeatedly interrupting threads in the Survive Forum. Banned again for sneaking back in. Had he posted in the correct forum, he would have been OK. It's not just what you say. It's how you say it and where you say it.
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  15. Quiet

    Quiet "That guy" Gold Member

    Oct 11, 2013
    Don't be fooled by that scammer and the shield he hides behind. There are no such things as "seconds". The proof of this is staggering. People posted up for YEARS in their sub about how they ordered a second, and waited for many months, or even more than a year, and when they would ask where their knife was, they were told "It's being finished soon! Guy just needs to finish the edge, or the scales need to be attached, or, or, or....etc.".

    [Insert record scratch noise here]

    Wait, what? A second is usually an item that has already been finished but that has some sort of cosmetic damage. To Survive?K, a "Second" is a subset of a given batch of products that they can re-sell in order to double dip, because with their screwjob wait-times and (for years) completely docile fanbase eating up every excuse like candy, they knew they were able to simply add some more of that knife design to a future batch, and thus get the knives to the say, forty or fifty or whatever people whose knives got redirected to other orders as "seconds" at a later time. They'd get in an order from their machinist (the people actually making stuff, because S?K doesn't actually even make anything LOL) and it's clear that they'd be like "Ok, out of these 250 blades, these 40 are now "seconds". Ellie, go sell these to our apologists on the forum."

    These people are garbage, and their company is garbage. I really don't know how they have any fans left at all. Their knives aren't even that great.
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2018
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  16. craytab


    Jan 26, 2012
    I haven't read through all the responses to your post so perhaps this point was made. Survive sells seconds before they are made. It's a scam maneuver to get cash flow. Most folks report not being able to tell what is issue is that makes a knife a second. They sell knives already paid for 3 years ago to new customers, still taking a year to deliver "seconds". Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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  17. bikerector

    bikerector KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Nov 16, 2016
    Others kind of said similar. They're not doing the traditional idea of what 2nds are, selling what failed to be good enough for a 1st, but are actually making others to generate revenue. It's all very shady I was just trying to figure out what the problem with selling of "fails" to help push out 1sts was but it's not that simple because they're not running with regular production methods it seems, like scheduling 2nds (if I understand that right) where 2nds should be the result of scheduled 1sts that didn't make the grade like gaps, scratches, or wierd blade grinds that are functional but not up to snuff.

    The mis-representation of what a 2nd is, is what I think was where I was getting caught up because it's not a true 2nd as others would call it. It's not that people disagree with selling the blems it's that, that isn't actually what they are doing at all. Helps put into perspective the level of shadiness the company operates with.
  18. mlmcasual


    Jun 10, 2013
    They buy the bar stock material in batches. One theory would be if they didn't sell all the stock, they would just designate all the remaining stock as "seconds". However, that theory gets shot down because we usually seen "firsts" get sold out... So many believe seconds are some form of double dipping. What I don't understand, if that was true (and I am not saying it isn't), why wouldn't Guy just purposefully scratch or create a flaw just to cover his ass?
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  19. craytab


    Jan 26, 2012
    It strokes his ego if the fanboys think his seconds are so good you can't tell.

    Isn't this double dipping fraud? On the books it looks like two sales but they are only using the new money coming in to produce. I know they aren't publicly traded but we know of at least one investor, though he did defend them publicly even after they couldn't pay back the loan. That guy should be taking legal action.
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  20. craytab


    Jan 26, 2012
    Are they calling this the last chance presale because it's the last one they're doing before they move again and disappear. One last money grab? Millit should not only be embarrassed to be dealing with survive but also being figuring out a way to get out of any association immediately. These people are lying thieves.

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