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Thoughts on authorized dealers raising GEC prices above the minimum sale price.

Discussion in 'FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!' started by Fixall, Nov 11, 2020.

  1. knarfeng

    knarfeng senex morosus moderator Staff Member Super Mod Moderator

    Jul 30, 2006
    He's on the short list, also.

    Meanwhile, please stay on topic.
     
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  2. abcdef

    abcdef

    Oct 28, 2005
    To The Amazing Virginian, never a supposed insult.

    Back on topic, anyone can sell their stuff for whatever price they can get. That doesn't necessarily mean they should, as in price gouging after a disaster, but I don't believe that applies to the situation at hand. Or does it? That's a rhetorical question.

    LOL, what a great thread. Please don't close it.
     
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  3. colubrid

    colubrid Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 26, 2005
    I think it is a great thread as well.
     
  4. Mass1632

    Mass1632 Gold Member Gold Member

    713
    Dec 24, 2019
    Does nobody else understand that the ebay sales that are at and around $300 are dealers for gec? (Sure flippers have jumped on this as well)

    People look to ebay to try to score gec knives and see prices ranging from 250-500. So then when they look into the dealers in gecs website and see these prices from 90-120, they are not going to hesistate for a moment.

    altenatively, people may go straight to the gec website, going to the dealers page, they find many websites with their prices listed (some low some high) but out of stock and then find the dealers on there with them in stock and extremely high. So when these knives come in at a price around 100, wow what a bargain! They arent going to waste a moment since the prices are about to skyrocket.

    Pretty smart business. To think this isnt on purpose is naive and a symptom of fanboyism.
     
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  5. The Amazing Virginian

    The Amazing Virginian Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 24, 2010
    Deleted. No chance this gets a fair hearing here.

    Continue - I'm done with it.
     
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  6. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jul 3, 2019
    I’m not sure I understand- is your point that GEC is somehow involved? Or that the distributors have fanboys?
     
  7. Mass1632

    Mass1632 Gold Member Gold Member

    713
    Dec 24, 2019
    Im saying gec is involved and so many swoon over gec that they cant imagine them doing such a thing. Its hard to see things objectively when predispositions are involved. These people selling on ebay are gec authorized dealers afterall. Some “flippers” may even be gec employees since they seem to have the listed so early (though im not claiming this, just understand the possibility). Im not sure if theres anything wrong with what theyre doing and im not trying to judge them. Businesses have the responsibility to do what it takes to succeed.

    i dont imagine bill howard to be rubbing his hands together with the thought, “ive got a diabolical plan to create ultimate lolliscrambles!” Laughing maniacally.
    Be it him or someone else at the company, someone there knows what theyre doing.

    I really dont think its that big of a deal, businesses employ all sorts of machinations. It wont stop me from trying to buy what i want to.
     
  8. Quiet

    Quiet "That guy" Gold Member

    Oct 11, 2013
    This is true, and will remain so up. When's the last time anyone saw recently released Rough Rider models selling for $300+ on Ebay the week after they drop.
     
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  9. colubrid

    colubrid Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 26, 2005
    Really it has to do with availability. Rather than making only a few. Quality would stay the same or..
    It may eve be possible that fit, finish and quality could go up AND producing more knives. The reason this thread exisits is because the markup from people who buy the few "popular model" knives that are released and then are able to mark them up due to supply is low and demand is high.
     
  10. craytab

    craytab

    Jan 26, 2012
    Totally disagree and I think most here would too. Start making these in a third world country but keep everything else exactly the same and desirability would drop like a rock.

    Where GECs are made and who/how they are made is what makes the brand. They'd be just another knife if anything about the process was different.
     
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  11. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    You can't always get what you want
    But if you try sometime you find
    You get what you need
     
  12. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jul 3, 2019
    I think you're failing to account for perception and marketing. CNC machines can pump out knife parts blindingly fast and with high precision. If that's what Bill Howard wanted to do, I'm sure he could, but I'm just guessing that he's decided to make knives this way because he likes the old fashioned, hands-on method. For all I know, there could be a benefit to not relying on CNC machining. And of course, one could argue how many machines it takes before something isn't truly hand made anymore, but I think we can trust our guts on this one. For all intents and purposes, Mr. Howard is offering a handmade piece of Americana.

    Also, country of origin isn't intrinsic to the quality of the knife, but it sure does count when you consider public perception of quality or authenticity. As an armchair business guy Colubrid, I think you're "fix" isn't really a fix- it ends up with GEC closing its doors because it loses the one thing that separates it from a lot of other companies; the connection to the people and the process.
     
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  13. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jul 3, 2019
    My page just reloaded and I see that someone said it better. ^^^ this ^^^
     
  14. colubrid

    colubrid Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 26, 2005

    That is the thing we are going backfull circle earlier in the thread. CNC vs hands on method. American labor vs outsourced labor.
     
  15. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jul 3, 2019
    As I read it, you keep suggesting changes is GEC production methods (machinery or location) as a method for driving down cost.
    My point is merely that these are not viable options to drive cost down.

    I'd rather we all (as a knife community) decide what a 1095 slip joint is worth and stick to our guns. I understand that's unreasonable but the alternative is to wait until people are unwilling to spend the money on grossly over-priced GECs.
     
  16. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    Oh if only there were some CNC pocketknives we all could buy. Then we'd be happy.
     
  17. colubrid

    colubrid Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 26, 2005

    Actually I was referring to increase production. Win Win!
     
  18. r8shell

    r8shell Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jan 16, 2010
    Right. There are lots of good choices available to the knife buyer:

    If I want a cheap, serviceable knife made in China, I buy a Rough Rider.
    If I want a reasonably priced, machine made, easily obtainable knife, I buy a Victorinox.
    If I want a traditional handmade knife, made in Titusville, PA, USA, I buy a Great Eastern.

    No one will pay GEC prices for a Rough Rider. No one will buy a GEC made overseas. There may be other options to increase production (if that is what they want to do) but the suggestion that moving production overseas is an option for GEC, is laughable.
     
  19. colubrid

    colubrid Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 26, 2005
    I never mentioned China or Mexico in this thread. I think I stated "think outside the box". Then I made suggestions to Indonesia. I could eloborate more but the thread will drift.
     
  20. r8shell

    r8shell Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jan 16, 2010
    I only mentioned China because that's where Rough Riders are manufactured. My point was that Great Eastern Knives are made in Titusville Pennsylvania, and that is a large part of the appeal to collectors.
     
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