With some recent responses in other threads, I got to thinking. I was a bit put out by the expression of the idea that an altoids tin kit is just a mental exercise and couldn't be used. Why? Why is it too little? what, exactly, do we need? For how long, and where? What's too much? 90 pounds on a frame pack trying to get out of a city quicklike? (way too much) - the same 90 pounds leaving your truck behind already out in the big empty with the ability to make camp within 5 miles and adjust? A lot of this comes down to - what is survival? In the shotgun thread, people talked about wanting scoped long range rifles to get out of urban areas, or snares and traps being better than hunting. Both of these views can be valid in the right circumstance, but which circumstance? (I'm still leery of the scoped rifle to get out of a city bit, but I suppose a red dot could vaguely count as a scope.) This brings up a very important bit- defining survival. A "FIRE! NOW NOW NOW!" bag next to my bed has shoes in it. And for good reason. But an office escape kit is going to have prybars. And altoids kit in a cargo pocket while out hiking is going to have some stuff to help me get by while I'm waiting for a rescue or hiking back out after losing everything. What's in my van would scare a lot of people but is just basic stuff for the Great Basin So- the situation is really, really important. (I'm stressing this because in every thread there's some guy who can only think tactical urban combat and escape terms and cannot, ever, see that there are different situations. zombies zombies zombies zombies zombies, mushroom, mushroom.) What's the least you want, for what situation? What's too much, for what situation? I've changed up gear several times. My "bum around Europe on leave" kit included some spare lighters, a couple space blankets, a poncho liner, first aid, spare socks, t shirt, and scivvies- but it was light on things I'd carry here. (for example, it had one SAK of medium size and relative disposability as European authorities tend to be very touchy about the ability to defend oneself or cut down one of the Holy Royal Trees) My urban bag had the clothes, and the space blankets, and a nice 8-10 pounds of tools. I was always working in some technical capacity and I needed half of them on a daily basis, but that just made it more fun. If you carry and altoids tin in a cargo pocket while hiking- is it enough? is it too little? what else is in your pockets? If you honestly have a 90 pound pack, have you tried a practice bugout with it?