1. Click here to enter the drawing for your chance to win an Ontario Knives Spec Plus SP8 Machete Survival Knife & Ka-Bar Dozier Folding Hunter, , Bladeforums.com swag or memberships!

    Be sure to read the rules before entering, then help us decide next week's giveaway by hitting the poll in that thread! Entries close at midnight, Saturday Sept 7!

    Once the entries close, we'll live stream the drawing on Sunday, Sept 8 at 5PM Eastern. Tune in to our YouTube channel TheRealBladeForums for a chance to win bonus prizes!

    Questions? Comments? Post in the discussion thread here

Tora Tora Tora ???

Discussion in 'Himalayan Imports' started by Brendan, May 1, 2003.

  1. Sirupate

    Sirupate Banned by Moderators Banned

    109
    Nov 26, 2003
    Hello Kukri4302,

    I am afraid you are confused with the 1950's model made by W/S, which the Gurkhas apparentley didn't like, however a friend of my fathers who was with the Gurkhas back then, thought they were very good and they are similar to the K45 issue.
    The M43 is one of the best made kukri around especially the ones made in Sheffield England, some of those are still very usable today, also M43 made in Calcutta are of a very good standard, amongst other places in India.

    Keep Chopping Tora
     
  2. spiraltwista

    spiraltwista

    Nov 29, 2002
    Hi Tora,

    How does one identify the sheffield made M43? compared to one of Indian manufacture? & Are the ther different scabbards/frogs?

    Spiral
     
  3. Sirupate

    Sirupate Banned by Moderators Banned

    109
    Nov 26, 2003
    Hello Spiral,

    The Sheffield made M43 have a much better finish, a smoother blade with the grove (not fuller) being much better finished by good qualty machining. Also because the metal quality is very good they are less prone to rusting and also the handle seems to fit snugly into my hand, which is very unusual for a traditional military kukri.

    Sory its a bit vague, but I hope it has been of some use, keep chopping Tora.
     
  4. spiraltwista

    spiraltwista

    Nov 29, 2002
    Cheers Tora!
    I wonder if you have any photos you can link to that would illustrate these differences in machining quality?

    Also I Wonder what type of rivits Sheffield used as well?

    Spiral
     
  5. Sirupate

    Sirupate Banned by Moderators Banned

    109
    Nov 26, 2003
    Hello Spiral,

    The best place is probably the Himalayan Imports site, under military kukri, they have the best kukri web site around and I think he has a Sheffield made one on there.

    A lot of what I say is based on 36 years experience, I had my first kukri when I was nine, which my mum bought me, that makes me 45 by the way!!

    So when I look at a kukri I am thinking of buying, a lot of it is gut instinct, which I am sure you will develop as well.

    Keep Chopping Tora
     
  6. spiraltwista

    spiraltwista

    Nov 29, 2002
    Hi Tora, Thanks,

    Well actualy I would say I have the gut instinct already, its a definative knowledge base I wish to obtain!

    Thats a nice M43 on the HI military web site, Pretty much identical to one of my M43s although mine has a almost unused Brown scabbard with a stiched rather than a laced frog & large steel chape as well.
    The handle timber appears identical as well rather than the more usual Rosewood on say my Quetta Bros. made versian.

    I must say though when I study the grip on the photo the grooves look hand cut with a hacksaw to me? {as they do on my well machined shiny versian}Would this occur in Sheffield?

    Spiral
     
  7. Sirupate

    Sirupate Banned by Moderators Banned

    109
    Nov 26, 2003
    Hello Spiral,

    Without doubt the handle would be hand finished, around the M43 which would have been machine tooled out of a single piece of metal.

    Back in the late 1930's and early 1940's, there would not have been a lot of differance in the manufacturing capabilty between a good Indian based cutler and a good British based cutler.

    I would say however, that the Sheffield steel was probably better, somethng British Officers in the Gurkhas of that period used to comment on.

    Keep Chopping Tora
     
  8. hollowdweller

    hollowdweller

    Sep 22, 2003
    I agree that the thickness of the blade is not necessarily related to how tough the edge is. I have an old Senegalese machete that is probably 3/8" thick. You can chop logs with it but the edge has never twisted, rolled or chipped. It is probably half the thickness of my thinnest Khukuri.

    Sirupate,

    I love the looks of your knives, hope to try to buy one and put it to the test when you get your website up. Thanks for the info.
     
  9. Sirupate

    Sirupate Banned by Moderators Banned

    109
    Nov 26, 2003
    Hello Hollowdweller,

    I agree about the stock, depending on the metal and craftmanship involved in making the blade.
    We have a very thinned stock M43 kukri designed for Martial Arts kata training and display, however I wouldn't like to try doing heavy duty work with it, it wasn't designed for that.
    I do prefer the stock to be at least 1/4", it feels better when I am using it in the field.

    Glad you like the look of our Kukri, hope they meet your aproval.

    Keep Chopping Tora
     
  10. spiraltwista

    spiraltwista

    Nov 29, 2002
    Cheers Tora! Thats interesting! One more questian on this subject if you dont mind? What Sheffield firm or firms made the M43?

    Cheers,
    Spiral
     
  11. cliff355

    cliff355

    Apr 19, 2003
    ---deleted---
     
  12. spiraltwista

    spiraltwista

    Nov 29, 2002
    Hi Cliff!

    If possible can you post details of the blades, Atlanta ordering codes & prices please?

    Also I am sure you are right about the tangs thats why in about 1916 they went to full riveted tangs!{I guess the Wet trenches in 1914/1915 trashed the partial & even the full rat tail tang kukris}


    Cheers! Spiral
     
  13. Sirupate

    Sirupate Banned by Moderators Banned

    109
    Nov 26, 2003
    Hello Spiral,

    I am not entirely sure, but people like J McClory, WR Humphreys etc could have been involved, where their production could be easily converted to such an item.

    I'll do my best to answer any more questions, hope that has given some idea.

    Keep Chopping Tora
     
  14. spiraltwista

    spiraltwista

    Nov 29, 2002
    Cheers Tora, Thanks for sharing your views! Given me some food for though.
    Rest assured I will have some more questians about kukris!
    Regards,
    Spiral
     
  15. Sirupate

    Sirupate Banned by Moderators Banned

    109
    Nov 26, 2003
    The short tang is definately not as good as the small or riveted tang, however the local kami still make them that way in Nepal and seem happy enough.

    Not for me though, definatele prefer the small or riveted tang.

    Keep chopping Tora
     
  16. Sirupate

    Sirupate Banned by Moderators Banned

    109
    Nov 26, 2003
    Glad to be of service Spiral,

    Keep Chopping Tora
     
  17. cliff355

    cliff355

    Apr 19, 2003
    ---deleted---
     
  18. spiraltwista

    spiraltwista

    Nov 29, 2002
    Thanks Cliff, Thats great!

    they seem expensive for just the blades to me to me though:( pity!
    Still the kardas sounds like a good deal.
    Cheers!
    Spiral
     
  19. Yvsa

    Yvsa

    May 18, 1999
    Cliff since these are original, but not complete I think a man could do what he wanted with them. Using a good two ton epoxy and then drilling a hole through the handle and tang and inserting a glue covered pin through both would make a khuk that would last a hundred years IMO.
    If I had the money I would buy a Long Leaf and another Bhojpure in a heartbeat!!!!:D
    And the original handles as well. The wood is well seasoned and cured and should be very stable. Besides trying to make a khuk handle for ten bucks just isn't worth the work when they're that cheap!!!!:D
     
  20. Thomas Linton

    Thomas Linton

    Jun 16, 2003
    In several posts I've seen the comment that it's more difficult to make a 1/4" thick khukuri than one approaching 1/2". Why is that the case?
     

Share This Page