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What is NASA-Certified Black G-10 Composite?

Discussion in 'Emerson Knives' started by The Whip, Mar 3, 2019.

  1. The Whip

    The Whip

    542
    Jan 28, 2007
    As I read over the descriptions of the new 2019 models, I noticed that the Appalachian was called out as possessing a handle of "NASA certified black G-10 composite."

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    Based on my searches, only the XHD HMMV-K, the Mutant, and the Spectrum models have received this designation in the past. What differentiates NASA-certified G-10 from other G-10? If there is a difference, why does the Appalachian merit the upgrade?

    -Steve
     
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  2. ohmyheckinslc

    ohmyheckinslc Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 4, 2005
    Wait... I know this is a little off topic, but wasn't the CQC-16 designed for primarily as a hunting knife?
     
  3. jceckrosh

    jceckrosh Gold Member Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Gold Member

    Mar 2, 2016
    Ernie says that in his ad copy - "Actually, there a number of Emerson designs..." - so, yeah, I think there are a few traditional/Americana blade shapes that would qualify as hunting-esque.

    As for the G-10, it could just be their updated verbiage, or maybe they have changed G10. However, I wasn't able to find anything re: NASA certified G10.
     
  4. ohmyheckinslc

    ohmyheckinslc Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 4, 2005
    I pulled up the wayback machine and the listing for the 16 says that it was designed by a friend of Ernie's, so I guess he can honestly say he's never designed one before this.

    As for the nasa question, I wonder if it has to do with outgassing, https://outgassing.nasa.gov/
    You can find a few different specs on that site for G10/FR4
     
  5. mt666tm

    mt666tm

    699
    Nov 20, 2012
    NASA Certified G10 means that the National Aeronautics and Space Administration has determined that this particular G10 is suitable for space travel. So if you get a ticket to go to the ISS you can bring your Emerson with you!
     
  6. tokerblue

    tokerblue

    May 1, 2010
    It's probably like Aerospace Grade Titanium...
     
  7. Mikel_24

    Mikel_24

    Sep 19, 2007
    AKA marketing strategy....
     
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  8. John_0917

    John_0917 Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 15, 2014
    I mean I think it goes without saying that they're going to use quality materials. There are different quality ranges of G10 just like there are for other materials. CF in particular sees the widest range of quality used on knives in my opinion, some look great, others not so much.
     
  9. The Whip

    The Whip

    542
    Jan 28, 2007
    I know you're joking, but when I get selected to go to the International Space Station (I'm expecting the call any day now!), I'm not taking my own knife. No, I'm demanding that NASA supply me with one of these

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    which, interestingly enough, were not described as possessing handles of "NASA Certified Black G-10 Composite."


    "Aerospace-grade" is pretty generic. I can accept that kind of description without clarification. But "NASA-certified" invokes a whole series of parameters and requirements that isn't generic at all. I'd simply like to know what it means as it applies to the material used on certain (and only some, it appears) Emerson knife handles.

    -Steve
     
  10. Daniel L

    Daniel L Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 2, 1998
    I don't know about you guys but the standard Emerson G10 is exceptionally grippy to the point of too abrasive... I routinely hit the G10 scales with my 220 grit paper to knock back the abrasiveness.
     
  11. bikerector

    bikerector Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 16, 2016
    NASA certified black is a few shades darker than the normal black. Like, black hole dark.
     
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  12. p0ultrygeist

    p0ultrygeist Gold Member Gold Member

    131
    Sep 18, 2015
    I wear the ragged edges of my jeans pockets with pride. It's like a rite of passage.
     
  13. Sergeua

    Sergeua

    May 1, 2016
    I wonder how it is to sharpen your knife on the space station. Where does all that steel matrix evaporate to? Is vacuum cleaning even a thing on a space station or you are going to create some kind of vortex when you use one?. Lol
     
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  14. The Whip

    The Whip

    542
    Jan 28, 2007
    OK, now I'm really puzzled. The latest Appalachian photo and description from the Emerson Web site:

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    NASA-certified orange G-10? Does NASA have cause to use colored G-10, particularly orange? I'm starting to think that someone (EKI or EKI's G-10 supplier) is either embellishing or outright fabricating this "NASA-certified" attribution.

    I have a good friend who is a materials specialist at NASA. I'll be seeing him later this summer, and you can bet I'm going to ask him about this. He's a knife guy, too, so he will have more than a passing interest.

    -Steve
     
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  15. Turbo4x4

    Turbo4x4 Basic Member Basic Member

    368
    Jun 4, 2011
    NASA-certified orange G-10? Does NASA have cause to use colored G-10, particularly orange? I'm starting to think that someone (EKI or EKI's G-10 supplier) is either embellishing or outright fabricating this "NASA-certified" attribution.
    I have a good friend who is a materials specialist at NASA. I'll be seeing him later this summer, and you can bet I'm going to ask him about this. He's a knife guy, too, so he will have more than a passing interest.
    -Steve[/QUOTE]

    I think NASA certifies its physicochemical properties, but not color.
     
  16. The Whip

    The Whip

    542
    Jan 28, 2007
    Dyeing processes alter chemical composition. Different colors would have to be certified individually.

    Claiming NASA certification directly implies that NASA is buying the very same G-10 that is being used for these handles (same supplier, same certified lots, etc.). Not to split hairs over semantics, but if Emerson's G-10 is only being manufactured to the same standards as NASA's G-10, then it's not "NASA-certified," but rather "NASA-specification."

    Words have meaning, marketing gimmicks notwithstanding. If a company claims NASA certification for its materials, I expect it to be able to back that up with facts.

    -Steve
     
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  17. Turbo4x4

    Turbo4x4 Basic Member Basic Member

    368
    Jun 4, 2011
    In general, I would more like to believe in orange or another bright color for NASA, like bright colors for rescue services.
    And so, I fully agree, everyone must be responsible for the words!
     
  18. lovescamaros

    lovescamaros Gold Member Gold Member

    191
    Nov 17, 2014

    just like ford and military grade aluminum.
     
  19. Turbo Tension

    Turbo Tension Gold Member Gold Member

    May 6, 2010
    EKI: Hey NASA, is this G10?

    NASA: Yes, it is. Why do you ask?

    EKI: No reason....
     

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