What Makes Shirogorov Knives So Good?

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Razor, Feb 18, 2020.

  1. Feca10ne

    Feca10ne Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jan 29, 2020
    I agree, the CRK's have never been fast opening knives for me either. But some dudes can flip em open faster than a SB! I just cant.:( ..matter of fact I've never been able to open a umnumzaan at all!
    I think the CRKs are still a superior knife though, just a different animal. I think a CRK is going to last longer in the long run due to a few problems that exists with the Shiro's, namely the bearings and lockbar insert on some of the model's. Some of the Shiro's have a steel LB insert that is lower than the titanium bar there screwed into. Eventually the LB interface will run out of travel before it hits the titanium bar. Ill try to find a picture but its one thing to look for when buying a Shiro second hand.
     
  2. Feca10ne

    Feca10ne Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jan 29, 2020
    In my opinion no, not at all. Shirogorov's ARE really that good of a knife. :)
     
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  3. Feca10ne

    Feca10ne Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jan 29, 2020
    Here we go,.. Ill call it the "Shiro shelf". Ive seen a few Shiro's that have traveled past the lock-bar wear and now rest on this "shelf".
    Why is it there?
    Is it Shiro's way of saying "hey you need a new lock-bar insert"?
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  4. jp9mm

    jp9mm

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    Apr 1, 2019
    I've seen this on other knives... isn't this 'shelf' just to hide the different lock bar insert steel and have a cleaner face?
     
  5. Feca10ne

    Feca10ne Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jan 29, 2020
    Very good question Sir but I haven't a clue. You'd think if they just brought up the titanium to the same level it would hide the insert?
    But when you run out of lock-bar you get lock-rock. Someone here is bound to know the answer, but Im betting on the worn lock-bar indicator hypothesis. :confused::thumbsup:
     
  6. sharp_edge

    sharp_edge Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 30, 2015
    Not meaning anything bad about CRK as I just bought two of them recently but I think that Chris Reeve adviced against excessive opening and closing knives and more importantly against flipping open knives helps significantly the longevity of CRK folding knives. Flipping open a knife results in MUCH more impact on the lock face (and stop pin) than slowly opening it.
     
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  7. Razor

    Razor Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 8, 1999
    I wonder why CRK's don't use better steel in their knives? Nothing wrong with S35V but a lot of companies using M390, Elmax, CPM20V.
     
  8. ridnovir

    ridnovir

    Mar 12, 2012
    it boggles my mind, to be honest. CRK is in the best position to produce a flipper with a nice steel and killer design so we can stick it to the ruskies. For now, though I enjoy the shit out of shiros.
     
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  9. John Dough

    John Dough

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    Mar 22, 2019
    Shiros are good knives. Their price though is hype.

    Compare a $170 Real Steel 2017 Megalodon (M390, titanium) to a $800 Shirogorov F95 with the same features, you're gonna see they're practically identical with regards to fit and finish, action, overall build quality. If anything the design on the Megalodon is even more elaborate. I think both would be great if they'd cost $350.
     
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  10. SVTFreak

    SVTFreak Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 8, 2011
    A little off the shiro topic, but the reason is quite simple. It provides the attributes that reeves knives wants in their product. They run it to a point wheee it’s decently tough, holds a working edge quite well (albeit won’t maintain that screaming sharp, freshly honed edge as long) and is not a pain in the behind to resharpen. They’ve actually quite nailed the target. It’s a great all around steel the way they use it. They should know, they helped develop it.
     
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  11. Feca10ne

    Feca10ne Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jan 29, 2020
    .....said the person who has never owned a Shirogorov:rolleyes:
    Comparing a Real Steel 2017 Megalodon to a F95 is blatantly the same as comparing a fake Sebenza to a real one. And good for them for "trying" to imitate perfection because in doing so they'er raising the bar for what you get when you spend your hard earned $170:)
     
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  12. DJC72

    DJC72 Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 1, 2014
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    I’ve owned/collected close to 150 folders over the years but finally tried a Shiro last year. It’s a great knife! Fit and finish are top shelf. The detent, washers and flipper tab work perfectly together to smoothly fire the blade into the open position. It’s a keeper! The cost however, at a touch of 1K, makes it a luxury item for me. While I prefer the Shiro over my CRK knives, I don’t believe the Shirogorov is $450 “better” than my Wilson combat Startac Zaan. That being said, I might have to add another to the stable.
     
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  13. John Dough

    John Dough

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    Mar 22, 2019
    That's just nonsense.
    I've owned that F95 I was talking about and handled enough other 95s to be pretty sure about what I'm stating here.

    You may as well listen these opinions:




    My guess is either you never handled a 2017 Megalodon or you just can't handle a comparably well-made product... which makes you either what you called me or just a fanboyish kinda snob o_O
     
  14. Feca10ne

    Feca10ne Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jan 29, 2020
    Well your either a troll or you have a distorted perception of reality.
    Just because your @ss cant tell the difference in the ride quality of a Rolls-Royce compared to Kia Carnival doesn't mean others cannot.
    But Ill admit that lately, It does take a increasingly perceptive posterior to tell the difference...
    The Chinese made knives discussion belongs elsewhere, but if they did make a knife that was on par with Shirogorov it wouldn't be a 2017 Megalodon.

    Enjoy your Chinese knife bro.
     
  15. halden.doerge

    halden.doerge I'll Sharpen Your Knife Gold Member

    Aug 17, 2014
    Honestly, I don't feel like Shiros are actually that amazing in terms of material quality and tolerances. I owned an F95T and tried to love it, but there were just too many problems. The bearing races are fragile, with loose bearings that are easily lost if the knife is disassembled. The issue of "Shiro shelf" on the lockbar has already been brought up, and I've always found it disturbing that on any of them you can push the lock bar over to 100% engagement with the lockbar insert, right up against the "shelf" with ease.

    None of that screams tight tolerances to me. Certainly not on the level of CRK, or more comparable makers like Koenig or Holt. And when they start around $700, wheew boy. Hard pass for me.
     
  16. Grandmaster

    Grandmaster Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 14, 2015
    There’s at least one post a month about shiro’s where the trolls start bashing it, you dont think its worth it, buy the real steel. If I were gonna to compare another knife to shiro, real steel is way at the bottom. I choose Shiro over Koenig everyday, but Holt, yeah they are above Shiro IMO, especially the new v4
     
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  17. marchone

    marchone Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 13, 2013
    Shiro quality is generally highly praised, and sometimes criticized for taking shortcuts, but for me their appeal starts with superlative designs. They are not flashy, oversized, highly polished beasts with complex blade geometries. They are useful, versatile, everyday cutting tools.

    When I see comparisons to other maker's knives with regard only to production tolerances and machining expertise, say to an Arius, I see apples to oranges. Keep the comparisons to similar designs and you'll see names like Cheburkov, Holt Spector, Anso, Burger, Bull, Grimsmo, and others.
     
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  18. goldie

    goldie

    Feb 18, 2000
    Benchmade has two models w the shelf, one is the 761 mono lock and the subrosa.I had that one but I worried about that shelf eventually hitting its end.Didnt seem at least on that model there wasn't too much room for error.Wound up selling it.Not a fan of that kind of design, nor am I willing to spend 750 for one of these knives. Those days are over I no longer see the value of spending that much money for any knife.My Thorburn is the last of that era for me...
     
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  19. Razor

    Razor Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 8, 1999
    If you have to ask, you don't need one. Lol I just bought a Neon and think it and the 95T are a great pair! They are the best knives that I have owned and I have owned a few expensive customs. It is what ever you like. It would be bad if we all liked blondes.
     
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  20. GatorFlash1

    GatorFlash1 Gold Member Gold Member

    May 28, 2012
    There are so many good knife manufacturers and custom knife makers in the US I would never think about buying a knife made in Russia. I'll just keep EDC'ingj my good old Spyderco Gayle Bradley 1.

     

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