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Discussion in 'Shop Talk - BladeSmith Questions and Answers' started by anvilring, Sep 13, 2020.

  1. anvilring

    anvilring

    Nov 29, 2000
    Here are a few things I'm looking for:

    1/2" brass rod, perfectly straight, that I can drill and tap a hole in the center of to use as a tang nut.

    Stainless steel 3/16 in cap nut dome topped as is used in Randall knives. At least I think it's 3/16 in thread, it may be a quarter inch thread.

    Examples....

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004RCX8XS/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_4?smid=AYETLLJ1Q9FG5&psc=1

    This one is brass; which would be fine and it's what I'm looking for in stainless:

    http://www.art-and-steel.com/uploads/5/4/7/3/54738255/s317787670452157329_p117_i1_w640.jpeg

    And where would the best place be to acquire new idler wheels for my Bader III antique grinding machine? I'm sure bader sells them but isn't there a place I can get some at a better price than that? Mine have the slightest amount of give and I think that's part of the problem with my belt not tracking well.
     
  2. Drew Riley

    Drew Riley Riley Knife and Tool

    Oct 17, 2007
    Any online metals supplier should have brass round bar. Search for "free machining brass", or "360 alloy".

    McMaster has just about any kind of acorn nut you could want:
    https://www.mcmaster.com/acorn-nuts/=353317d3b51d4d3682c8496e4c72660dkf1gawtx

    As for the idlers, I'm not sure what ID the Baders use, but if it's a 1/2" bearing ID, I'd check out eBay. The best, IMO, are made by "vwjackstraw":
    https://www.ebay.com/str/knifegrinderparts

    Though OBM wheels are a little bit cheaper and pretty good as well, or there's several other sellers. Average cost for an aluminum idler seems to be about $20 to $30 these days.
     
  3. 12345678910

    12345678910

    Jul 13, 2009
    Your amazon link is a tube of goo

    I'd buy Bader Wheels from Stephen Bader Co
    OEM always fits best.
    Cheap chinese wheels create more tracking problems than they solve.

    Tracking problems, try more belt tension first, pull the toolbar out.

    "Stainless steel 3/16 in cap nut dome topped as is used in Randall knives"

    I'd call that an acorn nut.
    Fastenal if you have no other local options,

    If it's a 1/4 inch thread, you still have to know the thread pitch.
    In USA SAE threads there is a UNC or UNF thread

    You won't find any references to a 3/16" thread unless it's 100 year old book.

    If it's smaller, you use the number thread sizing
    #10, #8 and both have coarse and fine.
    There is a 12 but it's old phased out, rare and uncommon

    Use the caliper to get diameter
    https://www.shars.com/products/measuring/caliper/6-dial-caliper

    Use the gage to find pitch
    https://www.shars.com/4-84-screw-pitch-gage-1


    download the Starrett thread chart
    https://www.brokenbolt.com/images/starrett-inch-metric-tap-drill.pdf


    If you're trying to tap that thread, don't buy hardware store taps, they are ALWAYS carbon steel not HSS, they are always hand taps, not machine taps, they are always plug and not taper taps.

    Get a HSS spiral point tap, from a pro industrial supplier.
    Get two, plus a bottoming tap


    Also = go to a good hardware store, or industrial supplier
    Get a screw and nut of every size and every pitch, label them well.
    Now you have a fast eyeball reference you can practice on with the calipers and gauges. Metric too if you want, but that's pretty un american.
     
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2020
  4. A.McPherson

    A.McPherson KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jan 27, 2012
    You know, I just found out the other day that in america at least, the inch is defined by the metric system? Kinda funny!
     
  5. Hengelo_77

    Hengelo_77 Basic Member Basic Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Officialy 1 inch = 25.4mm
     
  6. Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith

    Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith ilmarinen - MODERATOR Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Aug 20, 2004
    Yup, we define all our English measurements by the international metric standards - meter, kilogram, Kelvin, etc.
    The current standards are defined by physicists and make no sense to the average person - did you know that the Kelvin scale is now defined this way:
    The kelvin is defined by setting the fixed numerical value of the Boltzmann constant k to 1.380649×10−23 J⋅K−1, (J = kg⋅m2⋅s−2), given the definition of the kilogram, the metre and the second.

    The USA was all ready to switch in the 1970's, even passed it as a law. But, the education system was run by old teachers (average age was probably over 50 when I was a kid) who did not understand the metric system or physics. My eighth grade science teacher was born in the 1800's. It failed because no one was taught to use it. Eventually they dropped the issue. The other issue was economic, the entire manufacturing system would have to retool. All suppliers would have to get new measuring equipment to sell. The final blow was the recession. With price controls and raging inflation, there was no desire to upset things any more with a new measurement system. The only vestige of the law is that all consumer goods in the USA have to have the contents stated in both metric and English, which was the first phase of the change.


    Even as a child in the ancient 1950's I could see that figuring out how may times 13/64th" goes into 33 1/3" was not the best way. It was no problem dividing 5.2mm into 847mm.
    Can you imagine expressing wavelengths in feet and inches???

    As a funny aside, it hasn't been that long since they stopped marking anvils in stone weight.
     
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  7. JTknives

    JTknives Blade Heat Treating www.jarodtodd.com Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jun 11, 2006

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