Gosh and Golly Gee Willy Kerr's! What a surprise. The mail girl (if that don't sound like a oxymoron ...) delivered what was expected tomorrow today. (BTI)Old Timer 858OT: The pulls at a "5", or a hair under, is a little lighter than my (BTI) Old Timer 858OTB. No visible gaps, the blades are well centered and don't rub. At just only 4.5 inch closed, it is the perfect size for a EDC stockman. (IMHO) (BTI) Old Timer 25OT two blade slipjoint folding hunter: ("classic" clip point and drop point blade combination) Smooth pull on both blades of around a "5". No noticeable gaps, blades are centered. Arm hair shaving sharp out of the box, with even grinds. Looks like a full flat grind on both. Oh, the 25OT comes with a tan/light brown leather belt sheath. An good thing, since it is 5.5 inches closed and weighs about the same as a Buck 110. (not exactly what you would call "tiny" or "light weight". ) Over-all, I be a happy ugly old guy with the three knives that came in today. The MAM and 858OT will most likely be part of my EDC starting tomorrow.