Z Wear and Z Tuff

Discussion in 'Shop Talk - BladeSmith Questions and Answers' started by Gossman Knives, Jul 31, 2019.

  1. rodriguez7

    rodriguez7 Gila wilderness knife works Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 1, 2009
    I’m wanting to order a couple bars when I get some extra cash! Pricing isn’t to bad, a few dollars more then AKS.
     
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  2. rodriguez7

    rodriguez7 Gila wilderness knife works Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 1, 2009
    I’m anxiously waiting this. I also think ztuff will jump up on the chart with a lower austenizing temp, for 58 rc. Even though it’s tough as hell at 61. Tougher then 3v, several points harder, and we all know 3v is no slouch in toughness!
     
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  3. DeadboxHero

    DeadboxHero Triple B Handmade, Custom Knives Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Mar 22, 2014
    If only I made axes to take advantage of the shock resistance. Might have to get into forging in the future. Love me a good axe
     
  4. rodriguez7

    rodriguez7 Gila wilderness knife works Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 1, 2009
    Stock removal tomahawks. Or some choppers. I would like a sheet, so I can make me a compact hunters axe!
     
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  5. rodriguez7

    rodriguez7 Gila wilderness knife works Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 1, 2009
    But even as an edc steel. My personal edc is a thin flat ground knife at 61 rc. Not as thin as yours, but pretty dam thin, it cuts great, and holds up to anything.
     
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  6. DeadboxHero

    DeadboxHero Triple B Handmade, Custom Knives Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Mar 22, 2014
    Z-tuff Just doesn't suit my taste with my current design, I just don't need the shock resistance, I want more strength for sub micron edges so they resist rolling better and more wear resistance to prevent blunting down in use. Nothing wrong with Z-tuff just not my jam for the laser stuff I make and like. In my experience, I found I could increase durability with thicker geometry and increase impact toughness by dropping carbide volume but it was always an inverse trade off to cutting ability with thicker geometry and wear resistance, strength traded for raw shock/impact toughness. So I got more out of going with higher hardness and carbides for what I like and do.
    Preference is King.
    I respect what Z-tuff/CD-1 is.
     
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  7. jdm61

    jdm61 itinerant metal pounder

    Aug 12, 2005
    Is that because those steels are made by Carpenter, but carry a Zapp label?
     
  8. rodriguez7

    rodriguez7 Gila wilderness knife works Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 1, 2009
    No problem, it’s my preferred steel for my style of blades. If I want what you’re talking about, I’ll go with vanadis 4e or zwear. Those are my go to steels for a high wear blade with killer edge stability!
     
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  9. DeadboxHero

    DeadboxHero Triple B Handmade, Custom Knives Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Mar 22, 2014
    Nah, Carpenter has a specific way they want to distribute their steels marketed for knives so NSM doesn't sell them. The CD-1 is not categorized as their knife steel line so NSM is able to sell it. NSM rolls steels for a lot of the major steel companies but they are only allowed to distribute Crucible stuff directly. The exact reason why? Unknown, Give Carpenter and Bohler-Uddeholm an email and tell us.
     
  10. Willie71

    Willie71 Warren J. Krywko. Part Time Knifemaker Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 23, 2013
    I have 1V, and s7 here waiting heat treat.
     
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  11. jdm61

    jdm61 itinerant metal pounder

    Aug 12, 2005
    From what I have seen of the "direct" pricing from Zapp, buying a sheet would make some sense for tomahawks and such. Otherwise, you would be spending crazy money for the steel if you bought "retail." Even at full sheet price with the "waste" being used for choppers, the price is still pretty steep, like over $100 for a hawk sized pice. But if would be like $200+ at retail price with no attempt to use the scrap IIRC.
     
  12. rodriguez7

    rodriguez7 Gila wilderness knife works Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 1, 2009
    I could deal with 100$ for a hawk sized piece. Anything past that, and it’s not really worth it in my opinion.
     
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  13. jdm61

    jdm61 itinerant metal pounder

    Aug 12, 2005
    It has been a few months, but I think that when I did those calculations, it was for hawks and knives with a sheet bought from Zapp and the hawks were no more than like $125 for the steel. The one problem with the knives was that you were going to get .275 thick blades no matter how big or small they were because that stock made the most sense for the hawks, so it was what I used for my model. Perhaps a bit of overkill for many knives. :D
     
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  14. rodriguez7

    rodriguez7 Gila wilderness knife works Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 1, 2009
    Maybe a little over kill, but you can thin out the edge enough where it’ll still cut good, but be durable as hell!
     
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  15. Kevin Cox

    Kevin Cox

    89
    Nov 23, 2013
    You can buy Z wear at Eastern tool steel . Great people to deal with .
     
  16. Gossman Knives

    Gossman Knives Edged Toolmaker Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Apr 9, 2004
    Not a good experience for me dealing with them.
     
  17. Kevin Cox

    Kevin Cox

    89
    Nov 23, 2013
    @Gossman Knives Sorry to hear that. I have bought a lot from them and service as been top notch.Shipped very fast and very will Packed. And no problems getting up here to Canada.
     
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  18. gsx-rboy750

    gsx-rboy750

    354
    Jul 3, 2014
    I bought zwear and ztuff directly from zapp.

    I had bought a 3x 28 x 0.270 stuff from zapp
     

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